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  • #391
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Originally posted by burd View Post
    You think OPEC"s decisions target Russia's oil economy but not ours?
    We're not running the country on oil money. The Russkis are.
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    • #392
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      Russia isn't cut off from oil. I'm not sure how you can even make that comparison...
      The price of oil is low enough to hurt their economy.
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      • #393
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        We're not running the country on oil money. The Russkis are.
        Wasn't the same explanation given for the demise of the USSR?

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        • #394
          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          Wasn't the same explanation given for the demise of the USSR?
          I thought Reagan made them spend all their money on defense, keeping up with the jones
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          • #395
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

            Originally posted by walrus View Post
            I thought Reagan made them spend all their money on defense, keeping up with the jones
            That was Johnson.

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            • #396
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
              That was Johnson.
              In what way was the 1980s arms race between the USA and USSR Johnson's doing?
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              • #397
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                I was wondering the same thing since they're a net exporter of the stuff.
                that's about their only source of foreign exchange. the lower the global price of oil, the more Russia is squeezed.
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                • #398
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                  In what way was the 1980s arms race between the USA and USSR Johnson's doing?
                  That one was Carter, trying to help out Afghanistan.

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                  • #399
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Old Farts will get this. You whippersnappers will need Google

                    I hope Emerson, Lake and Palmer is played during this

                    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...nFM/story.html
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                    • #400
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by joecct View Post
                      Old Farts will get this. You whippersnappers will need Google

                      I hope Emerson, Lake and Palmer is played during this

                      http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...nFM/story.html
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                      • #401
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Old Farts will get this. You whippersnappers will need Google

                        I hope Emerson, Lake and Palmer is played during this

                        http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...nFM/story.html
                        Wow. THAT takes me back.

                        I had a two week phase when I was 16 when I played this album continuously. Then I put it away and I have not thought about it once until you just made that reference.

                        Weird trivia: there appears to have been a single called BSS which wasn't on the album, and which I'd never heard. It is terrible.
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                        • #402
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Oh, dear.

                          In a trade magazine, I saw that about 5% of the people insured under PPACA exchange policies account for about 50% of the claims expense. that is not sustainable.

                          even worse, there is a stealth tax on other health plans whose proceeds are used to reimburse health insurance companies for losses they suffer. Even with that reimbursement, we are still seeing double-digit rate hikes in many areas.

                          The recent CBO projection for 2016 enrollment is something like 40% behind where 2016 enrollment was projected to be when PPACA was first rolled out.

                          These are not encouraging trends. It will be a real mess, as donkeys stick their fingers in their ears and start humming really loud rather than face up to the situation, while elephants trumpet noisily with nothing of substance to offer either.




                          The real shame of it all is that, before PPACA, just about every state had a special risk pool exclusively to cover people with chronic health problems. That allowed everyone else in the state the opportunity to acquire coverage with rates based on experience without driving them through the roof. One of the several major, major blunders of PPACA was to try to roll those people into the general insured population instead, it just can not work in the long run, and we are starting to see that now.




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                          • #403
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            But isn't that true of health care before? That about 80% of the costs came from 20% of the people?
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                            • #404
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              If healthcare cost less than sick people would cost less. Then insurance could cost less as well. Everyone wins, except those who are trying to make money.
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                              • #405
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                                Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
                                except those who are trying to make money.
                                Bingo.
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