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  • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    It's related, so we're going after it: Title X, the Federal Family Planning Progam, Is in Danger
    While the headlines of late have all been about gay marriage, lethal injection, and the Affordable Care Act, a major strike against women’s health care has been quietly mounting in Washington.

    In preparing its budget proposal for the upcoming year, the GOP-led Congress has made moves to fully eliminate Title X, the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related reproductive health services, including contraception.

    Ninety percent of the people Title X serves have incomes below 200 percent of the federal poverty level, and 63 percent are uninsured. Six in 10 women who access health care services from a Title X-funded health center consider this their main source of health care.

    Funded at $286 million for fiscal year 2015, Title X has already sustained cuts totaling $31 million since fiscal year 2010, significantly reducing the number of patients served by its programs. There were 600,000 fewer individuals served by Title X programs in 2013 versus 2010 as a result of past cuts.

    However, there’s evidence that Title X saves taxpayers money: For every public dollar invested in family planning, the American taxpayer saves approximately $7 in Medicaid-related costs. Nearly half of all births in the U.S. are paid for by Medicaid, the health care program for low-income families and individuals; the average national cost for one Medicaid-covered birth is $12,770. This is a stark contrast to the $239 per-client cost of publicly funded contraceptive care through Title X family planning. It is estimated, then, that Title X saves taxpayers nearly $7 billion a year.

    There’s also evidence that Title X prevents unintended pregnancies — 1.1 million in 2012, to be exact, according to the Guttmacher Institute. These pregnancies would have resulted in 527,000 unplanned births and 363,000 abortions. Without the services provided by Title X — which include Pap smears, breast exams, cancer screenings, sexually transmitted infection screenings, and HIV tests — it is estimated that the number of unplanned births and abortions would be 66 percent higher.

    So if Title X reduces costs and reduces the abortion rate, why the opposition?

    It might have to do with the fact that while more than half of Title X-funded clinics are public health departments and another 14 percent are federally qualified health centers, 13 percent are Planned Parenthood clinics, according to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.
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    • Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      If you set out to create a fictional political platform aiming to spread misery and hardship to the most people possible, it would be nearly indistinguishable from the GOP's.
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        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        If you set out to create a fictional political platform aiming to spread misery and hardship to the most people possible, it would be nearly indistinguishable from the GOP's.
        The Religious Right hates Planned Parenthood with a fiery passion, so they're throwing out the baby with the bath water. It's as simple and sad as that. Everything else is collateral damage of political warfare.
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          Well, they lost the battle against the gays. They have to turn their, uh...bigotry, self-hatred, passion towards something else, and they've made some surprising strides in the abortion battle over the last decade or so. The eeeeeeeevil Planned Parenthood is only a natural target.

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            Well PP provides the abbatoir to murder the unborn. Why not?
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              Perfect. Now we just need Bob to dredge up some racist Margaret Sanger quotes, ignoring the fact that eugenics hasn't been a plank in the PP mission for decades, and ignoring that Sanger felt abortions should be a legal, but rare occurrence, because proper sex ed and use of contraception would prevent pregnancies in the first place. Then we'll all be happily offended together!

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                Trofim Lysenko may get his way on fish oil. http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/michael-s...ring-fish-oil/

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                  http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/10/healt...obamacare.html

                  Talk to me, knuckledraggers! Not looking good for you guys, although I'm sure that GOP replacement bill is right around the corner.
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                    Was there anyone that actually said it wouldn't lower the uninsured rate? I think the biggest gripe was that it would raise costs for the majority of people.
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                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      Was there anyone that actually said it wouldn't lower the uninsured rate? I think the biggest gripe was that it would raise costs for the majority of people.
                      Tons of 'em, from the Speaker of the House (The Boner) to several USCHO righties (Fishy, Flaggy, etc). People need to be held to account on this one. The idea was supposed to be that everyone was losing their policies so net uninsured would rise. Guess that one's in the trash heap now, along with it'll increase the deficit and the death panels will start offing people.
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                        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                        Was there anyone that actually said it wouldn't lower the uninsured rate? I think the biggest gripe was that it would raise costs for the majority of people.
                        Yes. Apart from death panels and communism, the next big fake out the right was using against the ACA was that it would actually force people to lose their health insurance. It never made sense, but they never make sense, they just make noise.
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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Yes. Apart from death panels and communism, the next big fake out the right was using against the ACA was that it would actually force people to lose their health insurance. It never made sense, but they never make sense, they just make noise.
                          Keep your plan?
                          Keep your doctor?
                          Lower premiums?
                          Lower out of pocket costs?
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                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            Tons of 'em, from the Speaker of the House (The Boner) to several USCHO righties (Fishy, Flaggy, etc). People need to be held to account on this one. The idea was supposed to be that everyone was losing their policies so net uninsured would rise. Guess that one's in the trash heap now, along with it'll increase the deficit and the death panels will start offing people.
                            The full argument was that people would lose their current coverage and then be forced into a different policy, one they didn't necessarily want or afford.

                            Furthermore, we'll see if the additionally insured people actually get the healthcare needed. It's one thing to have insurance, it's another thing to see a doctor. With the expanse of the different types of medical clinics (i.e. Minute Clinic), health care will likely be provided to everyone, but perhaps not the care they wanted or expected.
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                            • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                              The full argument was that people would lose their current coverage and then be forced into a different policy, one they didn't necessarily want or afford.

                              Furthermore, we'll see if the additionally insured people actually get the healthcare needed. It's one thing to have insurance, it's another thing to see a doctor. With the expanse of the different types of medical clinics (i.e. Minute Clinic), health care will likely be provided to everyone, but perhaps not the care they wanted or expected.
                              Considering millions of Americans' prior health plan was "don't get sick" - I think they'll view anything else as an improvement.

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                                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                                Considering millions of Americans' prior health plan was "don't get sick" - I think they'll view anything else as an improvement.
                                Yes, they may very well. Will the people who once had easier access to their PCP be appreciative of the new dynamic?
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