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    The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Getting to the meat of the matter.
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    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

    Continuing the discussion:

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2...red_change.pdf

    Uninsured rate down 35%. This for a law that's been active for 2 years and which approx half the states (all conservative governed) refuse to expand Medicare keeping 5M people needlessly uninsured.

    Costs are down. CBO estimates health care will cost govt 600Bn less than projected before ACA went into effect. Kaiser using a 75/25 approx split between economy and ACA, which means $150B in savings. Or using buster's link from the previous thread about 40-45Bn.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/9/8175277/...bsidies-budget

    So I'll ask again to the non-knuckledragging conservatives out here (buster, Lynah, etc). By all independent accounts more people are insured. By all independent accounts the law is saving the govt money, from 40-150Bn just from the two estimates we've seen here.

    What exactly is the problem?
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    • #3
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

      But our ER's getting less overcrowded? Are patient wait times going down? Can people get a (primary care) doctor?

      The PPACA provided insurance, but if you can't get the care, so what?
      CCT '77 & '78
      4 kids
      5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
      1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

      ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
      - Benjamin Franklin

      Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

      I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        But our ER's getting less overcrowded? Are patient wait times going down? Can people get a (primary care) doctor?

        The PPACA provided insurance, but if you can't get the care, so what?
        You are not suggesting that the solution to a shortage of Health Care Providers is to have fewer insured are you?

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          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

          Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
          You are not suggesting that the solution to a shortage of Health Care Providers is to have fewer insured are you?
          The solution is to eliminate the red tape. Doctors aren't practicing because of the amount of compliance bureaucracy they have to go through. Not to mention sue-happy attorneys.

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            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
            Doctors aren't practicing because of the amount of compliance bureaucracy they have to go through.
            Citation?
            In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

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            I look at some people and I just know they do it doggy style. No way they're getting close to my kids.

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            • #7
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

              Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
              Citation?
              Don't hold your breath! Funny how its gone from 1) it won't work, to 2) it'll cost too much, to 3) you're only insuring people who got their plans cancelled, to 4) it'll work but it'll kill jobs, to 5) but if you can't find a doctor.

              As you say, joey and Flaggy, lets see some citations please.
              Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin

              Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin

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              • #8
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post
                You are not suggesting that the solution to a shortage of Health Care Providers is to have fewer insured are you?
                .DEATH PANELS!!!?????

                No - the solution is more doctors and health professionals. Just the Act does not seem to be addressing that problem as well as tort reform.

                And Rover - its Joe, not Joey. OK?
                CCT '77 & '78
                4 kids
                5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                - Benjamin Franklin

                Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                • #9
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                  This is all getting nonsensical
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                  • #10
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    This is all getting nonsensical
                    Aren't most threads here? The trick is to remember that what we say here will not mean a hoot. After all, the Universe does not care.
                    CCT '77 & '78
                    4 kids
                    5 grandsons (BCA 7/09, CJA 5/14, JDL 8/14, JFL 6/16, PJL 7/18)
                    1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                    ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                    - Benjamin Franklin

                    Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).

                    I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                      Originally posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
                      Citation?
                      Posts on here from a person who is semi-retired from the practice.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                        Very scientific...the NWO though requests more.
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                        • #13
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                          Posts on here from a person who is semi-retired from the practice.
                          You said "doctors"...plural.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                            Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                            You said "doctors"...plural.
                            And more than one poster have mentioned that.

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                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part III - Let's have a healthy debate!

                              So if Rover and Scooby post about GOP death squads then I can reference that in my posts as if it were true....

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