The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

[Rover]

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AIPAC. It's a hell of a drug.

I'm sorry but did a 12 year old write this article? Well, I shouldn't insult 12 year olds like that. No #$% Schumer was going to oppose this deal. It would have been shocking had he backed it, although my guess is he already knows Reid has the votes to uphold the veto so he (and Menendez most likely) are on safe ground.

[FlagDUDE08]

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I'm sorry but did a 12 year old write this article? Well, I shouldn't insult 12 year olds like that. No #$% Schumer was going to oppose this deal. It would have been shocking had he backed it, although my guess is he already knows Reid has the votes to uphold the veto so he (and Menendez most likely) are on safe ground.

Schumer's up for re-election in 2016. As much as it is a good thing to oppose the nuclear deal, he is clearly trying to pander for votes. Any other session, he would never stray from party lines.

[Rover]

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Schumer's up for re-election in 2016. As much as it is a good thing to oppose the nuclear deal, he is clearly trying to pander for votes. Any other session, he would never stray from party lines.

Agreed. The article is written like this is a shocking event. If he truly wanted to sink the deal, he wouldn't have announced his opposition while the rest of the political world was watching The Donald in his first debate.

[Kepler]

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Pat agrees with you. It's UFC 2015 between Obama and Bibi.

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/pat...inish-n2035674

I had to look up the Genet reference. Pat's a racist nativist who believes a ton of hogwash, but he is well read.

[joecct]

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Civis Romanus sum

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/b...-roman-history

[Rover]

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Schumer's up for re-election in 2016. As much as it is a good thing to oppose the nuclear deal, he is clearly trying to pander for votes. Any other session, he would never stray from party lines.

Yup.

[LynahFan]

Civis Romanus sum

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/b...-roman-history

tl;dr: if you squint just right, you can contort history to reinforce your current biases.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Yup.

So nice, you had to respond twice?

Ever notice how, in politics, they only do controversial things when "their job is safe", but only start compromising when an election is coming up? It isn't limited to Congress, either. Any sort of contracted employment is the same way.

"I was too busy trying to keep my job that I forgot to do my job." -- Andrew Shepard, "The American President"

[Rover]

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So nice, you had to respond twice?

Ever notice how, in politics, they only do controversial things when "their job is safe", but only start compromising when an election is coming up? It isn't limited to Congress, either. Any sort of contracted employment is the same way.

"I was too busy trying to keep my job that I forgot to do my job." -- Andrew Shepard, "The American President"

Yeah specifically to Schumer he's not exactly a Profile in Courage on this one. If he legitimately disagrees, fine but I think he's pandering to his constituents and likes those all expenses paid by AIPAC trips to Israel too much to give that up!

[Kepler]

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Civis Romanus sum

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/b...-roman-history

I'm sorry and this is in no way a personal dig, but that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time. If Victor Davis Hanson wrote a piece comparing Pericles to George W. Bush, that might get close.

[LynahFan]

I'm sorry and this is in no way a personal dig, but that's the dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time. If Victor Davis Hanson wrote a piece comparing Pericles to George W. Bush, that might get close.

I tried to warn you.

[Kepler]

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I tried to warn you.

No you didn't. You only said it was skewed, and I could tell after a paragraph that it was a partisan reach around. But there are ways of doing that effectively and intelligently -- Chesterton was a master at making ostensibly intellectual arguments for his prejudices. Plenty of people from Churchill to Pat have used historical analogy to further purely partisan rhetoric, but with style, grace, and even a wink. Ironically, the very guy at the center of the quoted piece, Cicero, is the patron saint of that sort of hack job: "say it with footnotes."

But that piece was about as subtle as a Jack Chick tract at mangling history to gore a rather silly personal ox.

[LynahFan]

No you didn't. You only said it was skewed, and I could tell after a paragraph that it was a partisan reach around. But there are ways of doing that effectively and intelligently -- Chesterton was a master at making ostensibly intellectual arguments for his prejudices. Plenty of people from Churchill to Pat have used historical analogy to further purely partisan rhetoric, but with style, grace, and even a wink. Ironically, the very guy at the center of the quoted piece, Cicero, is the patron saint of that sort of hack job: "say it with footnotes."

But that piece was about as subtle as a Jack Chick tract at mangling history to gore a rather silly personal ox.

The fact that I failed doesn't mean I didn't try!

[Kepler]

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The fact that I failed doesn't mean I didn't try!

-- George McGovern

[joecct]

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Remember, we only need to elect a horse to the Senate!