The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

[WisconsinWildcard]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Rail is a bad option all the way around for shipping oil. It's only used when other options aren't available.

I agree with most of your post. I also agree that rail is a bad option. However, I would still argue that if it were profitable, it would still be utilized. I think we can assume that it is profitable (they are doing it now). Although I am no expert on the tar sands, from what I have heard, they are vast enough to produce an amount of product that the XL and the original pipeline have no chance in handling all of it.

[walrus]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

I agree with most of your post. I also agree that rail is a bad option. However, I would still argue that if it were profitable, it would still be utilized. I think we can assume that it is profitable (they are doing it now). Although I am no expert on the tar sands, from what I have heard, they are vast enough to produce an amount of product that the XL and the original pipeline have no chance in handling all of it.

Its still going to go by rail, it goes from ND to New Brunswick to Irvings refinery. That refinery is set up for North Shore Crude and I guess the Shale oil is similar

[Slap Shot]

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Still no answer to number of spills that occurred the first year and after.

[Priceless]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Still no answer to number of spills that occurred the first year and after.

Is your Google broken?

[Priceless]

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FactCheck.org

Pipelines can be hazardous. An average of 97,376 barrels (4.1 million gallons) of petroleum and other “hazardous liquids” have been spilled each year in pipeline incidents over the last decade, according to the Department of Transportation’s Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. These incidents have claimed an average of two lives per year, and resulted in more than $263 million in annual reported property damage as well.

Those figures include the most expensive onshore oil pipeline spill in U.S. history, caused when 30-inch pipe operated by Enbridge ruptured on July 26, 2010, near Marshall, Mich. That dumped more than 1 million gallons of Canadian diluted bitumen — the same material that would be carried in the proposed 36-inch Keystone pipeline — into the Kalamazoo River. Enbridge is still struggling to complete the cleanup, having failed to meet a Dec. 31 Environmental Protection Agency deadline for dredging remaining oil residue that settled on the bottom of the river. Although Enbridge initially put the spill at about 840,000 gallons, the EPA said last year that 1.15 million gallons had been recovered and 350,000 cubic yards of contaminated river sediment remained to be recovered. Enbridge said in August 2013 that it had spent more than $1 billion on the cleanup and remediation to date, and the figure continues to rise.

A spill from the Keystone could potentially have similar effects. The Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality, in its final evaluation report on the project, found that the properties of the diluted forms of bitumen that would flow through the state in the Keystone pipeline “are similar in many respects to other heavy sour crude oils.” For what it’s worth, TransCanada says it plans to make the Keystone “the safest pipeline ever constructed in the U.S.,” adding more remote shut-off valves and inspections and burying the pipe more deeply than with other pipelines.

Fox News

Current Keystone Pipeline Leaked 12 Times in Last Year

The pipeline that the Obama administration has rejected the permit for would be an extension of a pipeline that has already leaked -- not just once, but 12 times in the last year.

While TransCanada tried to dismiss these leaks as “minor” averaging “just five to 10 gallons of oil” each, the leak on May 7, 2011 near Millner, N.D., spilled about 21,000 gallons of oil in total.

[Slap Shot]

Is your Google broken?

I was challenging the assertion they're harmless #####.

[Bob Gray]

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Most of those leaks were 20 gallons or less. Nice scare tactic.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...3efb0d8d1.html

[Priceless]

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Most of those leaks were 20 gallons or less. Nice scare tactic.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...3efb0d8d1.html

Fox News using scare tactics? What are the odds?

[Bob Gray]

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Fox News using scare tactics? What are the odds?

Priceless defending Fox News? What are the odds?

[joecct]

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For those keeping score at home
Liz 1
Obama/Hillary 0

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...ZJN/story.html

[Kepler]

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For those keeping score at home
Liz 1
Obama/Hillary 0

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...ZJN/story.html

I'm keeping score. This is very good.

Also: Mannequins are more lively than that dude.

[joecct]

I'm keeping score. This is very good.

Also: Mannequins are more lively than that dude.

Liz on the 2016 VP ticket is looking better and better!

[dxmnkd316]

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Warren is far too important to be president. She needs to stay in a position where she can actually do something.

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Warren is far too important to be president. She needs to stay in a position where she can actually do something.

A Hillary presidency with a Warren SML and a Dem House I could get behind, particularly for court nominees. It's not that the Clintons are anti-liberal, they're simply pro-Clinton. If the winds are blowing left, they'll sail left.

[Kepler]

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This all seems completely reasonable.

"Hoyt told the officer he was Jesus Christ and that he was going to kill Boehner because Boehner was mean to him at the country club and because Boehner is responsible for Ebola," court documents say.