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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    How about a system where a prosecutor gathers evidence and presents it to a grand jury to decide if criminal charges are warran ...

    Never mind.
    How about not presenting a defense for the accused and conducting it like every other grand jury in which an officer isn't involved.

    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    That only works if the prosecutor treats charges against cops the same way they treat charges against everyone else.

    For non cops, they only present the information that supports the indictment. They sure as hell don't present pro defendent information.
    Looks like I was beat.

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    • #17
      Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

      Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
      So the problem is the prosecutors, not the cops, or the criminals.
      Because prosecutors and cops are lawful entities, they have to follow law and correct process. The existence of criminality doesn't absolve them of that responsibility.

      Now just because the community is up in arms doesn't necessarily mean the prosecutor and/or cops are doing anything wrong (other than maybe community outreach), but unless you're saying the entire community is criminal they have to be listened to, since after all it's for their protection that the prosecutor and cops exist at all.
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      • #18
        Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        Snark aside, do you think there's any positive action we could take in the wake of this? More police cams? Independent reviews when lethal force is used? Greater transparency?
        how about lethal force used upon/against rioters & looters?
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        • #19
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          • #20
            Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

            Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
            "Fixing" race in America is fallacy writ as large as "fixing" the Middle East.

            It cannot and will not be done because too many folks are benefiting from it.

            The "struggle of the _____" has become cottage industry worldwide.
            And there's the problem in three simple sentences.

            I can speak from personal experience having served on the Toronto PD from 1973 until 1994. In that 21 years, mistrust between minorities and me and my fellow officers was a constant, despite the best efforts of most of us on the street level to do our best to treat the minority communities with the respect they deserved. In the 21 years since I've been out of law enforcement the divide has grown exponentially.

            Are there bad cops out there? Of course there are, just as there are bad apples in any profession. But are they all a bunch of racist, jack-booted thugs? That would be like me saying that all minorities are....{insert appropriate adjective here}...based on the actions of a small number of radical, anarchist $hat disturbers.

            Despite the best efforts of the race-baiters and the media, I did and still believe that the vast majority of the men and women in uniform live by the adage "treat others as you would want to be treated, until they give you a reason to do otherwise."
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            • #21
              Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

              Yeppir.....this pretty much says it all!


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              • #22
                Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                let's throw the media into this toxic mix with their rush to judgement, rumors, lies and ****ed lies they delivered in the name of reporting. saying "anonymous" sources say Michael Brown was shot in the back with his hands in the air helped fuel the fire. and how about that breathless day before the verdict ... I thought Anderson Cooper was going to hyperventilate.
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                • #23
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                  Officer Wilson resigns from Ferguson PD

                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...tent=FullStory
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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by huskyfan View Post
                    and how about that breathless day before the verdict ...
                    For the record, there was no verdict, because it never went to court.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ShirtlessBob View Post
                      Officer Wilson resigns from Ferguson PD

                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...tent=FullStory
                      Well look at that, a spot on the MPLS PD just opened up.

                      (A joke. No seriousness or personal opinions involved.)
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                      • #26
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                        Race aside, was Wilson guilty or not?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                          Race aside, was Wilson guilty or not?
                          I tend to doubt it. But if he wasn't a cop, he would've been indicted and gone to trial.

                          Actually. I may even take the last part back. Given the evidence, he might not have gone to trial in a normal (non media frenzy) case. But he would've been indicted.
                          Last edited by unofan; 11-30-2014, 06:53 AM.

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                          • #28
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                            Let's try this instead of looting


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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by unofan View Post
                              I tend to doubt it. But if he wasn't a cop, he would've been indicted and gone to trial.

                              Actually. I may even take the last part back. Given the evidence, he might not have gone to trial in a normal (non media frenzy) case. But he would've been indicted.
                              Indictment doesn't necessarily mean trial?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
                                Indictment doesn't necessarily mean trial?
                                Plea bargins and charges being dropped happen all the time.
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