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  • #2
    Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

    Yes, I'm sick of those racists out there rioting and looting.


    (That should get this party started. )
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    • #3
      Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

      BBC World Have Your Say is having a panel discussion on air now (if you have XM/Sirius). I can't tell yet whether it's in any way valuable.
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      • #4
        Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
        Yes, I'm sick of those racists out there rioting and looting.


        (That should get this party started. )
        Snark aside, do you think there's any positive action we could take in the wake of this? More police cams? Independent reviews when lethal force is used? Greater transparency?
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        • #5
          Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

          How about a system where a prosecutor gathers evidence and presents it to a grand jury to decide if criminal charges are warran ...

          Never mind.
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            Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

            Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
            How about a system where a prosecutor gathers evidence and presents it to a grand jury to decide if criminal charges are warran ...

            Never mind.
            Again, snark aside, are you saying there's nothing wrong and there are no process improvements required at all?
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              Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              BBC World Have Your Say is having a panel discussion on air now (if you have XM/Sirius). I can't tell yet whether it's in any way valuable.
              Can they understand hooliganism outside the context of a soccer pitch?
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                Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                Can they understand hooliganism outside the context of a soccer pitch?
                They do seem to be having some trouble that there's no Irish to blame.
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                • #9
                  Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Again, snark aside, are you saying there's nothing wrong and there are no process improvements required at all?
                  Process improvements?

                  Well, Ferguson PD needs to get rid of the Sig Sauer P229s. Terrible sidearm in my opinion (too heavy and long of a trigger).

                  Dash camera would've been useless as most of the action seemed to happen out of the field of view of the front of the car.

                  A body camera might have made a difference ... like in Salt Lake City. Oh, you've never heard of that one ...

                  Maybe the shop owner that got robbed by the gentle giant should have better security. (Blame victim.)
                  Last edited by The Sicatoka; 11-28-2014, 01:56 PM.
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                    Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                    Process improvements?

                    Well, Ferguson PD needs to get rid of the Sig Sauer P229s. Terrible sidearm in my opinion (too heavy and long of a trigger).

                    Dash camera would've been useless as most of the action seemed to happen out of the field of view of the front of the car.

                    A body camera might have made a difference ... like in Salt Lake City. Oh, you've never heard of that one ...
                    I hadn't heard of that one, and that's my point exactly. A significant percentage of the white Utah community does not feel like the cops are more of a threat than a help to them. So what was the difference in the Ferguson case, if not race? Poverty? Maybe, but it sounds like black people are saying they feel under threat from police forces even when they're not poor.

                    Let me put it another way: let's say we both personally feel like there are no racial issues left in America. What do we do when a really large number of black people hear that and say, "you have no idea"? Ignore them? Explain patiently to them that we really know better about their situation than they do?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                      "Fixing" race in America is fallacy writ as large as "fixing" the Middle East.

                      It cannot and will not be done because too many folks are benefiting from it.

                      The "struggle of the _____" has become cottage industry worldwide.
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                        Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                        "Fixing" race in America is fallacy writ as large as "fixing" the Middle East.

                        It cannot and will not be done because too many folks are benefiting from it.

                        The "struggle of the _____" has become cottage industry worldwide.
                        I don't agree. There's already been a lot of progress, both institutionally (no more slavery, no more legally-enforced segregation, far less onerous Jim Crow) and socially (people may be racist today, but they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less racist than they used to be). There's also plenty of work still to do, though it's not clear to me that the latter is racial -- I think it just may point to lack of social mobility.

                        Also: every social movement faces people who make money off the status quo. That doesn't discredit the movement (in fact, quite the opposite), and it doesn't seem to ever stop it.

                        I can think of at least one thing that ought to come of this: people in minority communities should go out and vote. If they don't feel their representatives represent them, change them.
                        Last edited by Kepler; 11-28-2014, 02:24 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                          How about a system where a prosecutor gathers evidence and presents it to a grand jury to decide if criminal charges are warran ...

                          Never mind.
                          That only works if the prosecutor treats charges against cops the same way they treat charges against everyone else.

                          For non cops, they only present the information that supports the indictment. They sure as hell don't present pro defendent information.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Riots and Racists and Looting...OH MY!!!

                            So the problem is the prosecutors, not the cops, or the criminals.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                              So the problem is the prosecutors, not the cops, or the criminals.
                              It's all three to varying degrees.

                              Body cams for cops do wonders though. They decrease both use of force and citizen complaints by about 80% each.*

                              * presuming they work. It's amazing how some officers and departments seem to have far more tech problems than others.
                              Last edited by unofan; 11-28-2014, 02:47 PM.

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