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  • unofan
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    The Patriot Act seemed like a good idea at the time (so did the internment of West Coast Japanese in 1942). Lots of rights get trampled when somebody attacks your country. But has the Law of Unintended Consequences shown us that the Patriot Act is, in fact, a bad law?

    Case in point: http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...ofJ/story.html
    There were numerous people against the patriot act from the beginning. And Im not sure I agree these consequences are unintended.

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  • joecct
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    Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Kipling had a wry sense of humor about the whole thing. And it's not like he thought much of his fellow Brits. I suspect his WMB was parody that people didn't get, but Ernest Crosby made it explicit later:
    IIRC the White Mans Burden was dedicated to TR for his "pacification" of the Phillippines.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    Kipling is rolling over in his grave. TR too.
    Kipling had a wry sense of humor about the whole thing. And it's not like he thought much of his fellow Brits. I suspect his WMB was parody that people didn't get, but Ernest Crosby made it explicit later:

    Take up the White Man’s burden.

    Send forth your sturdy kin,

    And load them down with Bibles

    And cannon-balls and gin.

    Throw in a few diseases

    To spread the tropic climes,

    For there the healthy n*ggers

    Are quite behind the times.

    And don’t forget the factories.

    On those benighted shores

    They have no cheerful iron mills,

    Nor eke department stores.

    They never work twelve hours a day

    And live in strange content,

    Altho they never have to pay

    A single sou of rent.

    Take up the White Man’s burden,

    And teach the Philippines

    What interest and taxes are

    And what a mortgage means.

    Give them electrocution chairs,

    And prisons, too, galore,

    And if they seem inclined to kick,

    Then spill their heathen gore.

    They need our labor question, too,

    And politics and fraud—

    We’ve made a pretty mess at home,

    Let’s make a mess abroad.

    And let us ever humbly pray

    The Lord of Hosts may deign

    To stir our feeble memories

    Lest we forget—the Maine.

    Take up the White’s Man’s burden.

    To you who thus succeed

    In civilizing savage hordes,

    They owe a debt, indeed;

    Concessions, pensions, salaries,

    And privilege and right—

    With outstretched hands you raised to bless

    Grab everything in sight.

    Take up the White Man’s burden

    And if you write in verse,

    Flatter your nation’s vices

    And strive to make them worse.

    Then learn that if with pious words

    You ornament each phrase,

    In a world of canting hypocrites

    This kind of business pays.

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  • joecct
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    Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

    The Patriot Act seemed like a good idea at the time (so did the internment of West Coast Japanese in 1942). Lots of rights get trampled when somebody attacks your country. But has the Law of Unintended Consequences shown us that the Patriot Act is, in fact, a bad law?

    Case in point: http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...ofJ/story.html

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  • Kepler
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    Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    Interesting, but pretty much anything projecting out that far is highly speculative at best.
    Absolutely true. There's also no telling whether being equatorial in 50 years is going to be outstanding (solar power) or hellish (climate change).

    Much of my optimism about Africa comes from meeting technocrats at places like MIT and Stanford who were highly motivated to (1) make fortunes in telecomm, medicine, nanotech and (2) bring the wealth back to Africa, create stable economic and political institutions that observe the rule of law, and build a new system that mixes elements of European democracy, American entrepreneurship, and African communal values. They weren't exactly dreamers, either -- they were inspired, but also very down to earth. Their energy and commitment were pretty impressive. We'll see what they can do the next 10-25 years.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    Interesting, but pretty much anything projecting out that far is highly speculative at best. And at 4 billion that would still be behind Asia's current population, and I'd assume there would be some amount of population growth there, though likely not what this article says about Africa. At 4 billion, some of the issues facing Africa would likely be staggering.
    Heck, weren't they saying that India would surpass China's population by 2050?

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  • Bob Gray
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    Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The near future belongs to Asia.

    The far future belongs to Africa.
    Interesting, but pretty much anything projecting out that far is highly speculative at best. And at 4 billion that would still be behind Asia's current population, and I'd assume there would be some amount of population growth there, though likely not what this article says about Africa. At 4 billion, some of the issues facing Africa would likely be staggering.

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  • joecct
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The near future belongs to Asia.

    The far future belongs to Africa.
    Kipling is rolling over in his grave. TR too.

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Japanese are actually pulling the average down. They're abstaining,
    Once you go hentai you never go back.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Re: Global War on Terror Version 6 - Perpetual Motion Machine

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The near future belongs to Asia.

    The far future belongs to Africa.
    Japanese are actually pulling the average down. They're abstaining,

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
    Never heard of that fear. Lots of others, but not that one. It's not like Africa is about to approach Asia in terms of population. Asia is over four times as populated as Africa and has well over half of the world's population.
    The near future belongs to Asia.

    The far future belongs to Africa.

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  • Bob Gray
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Never heard of that fear. Lots of others, but not that one. It's not like Africa is about to approach Asia in terms of population. Asia is over four times as populated as Africa and has well over half of the world's population. Even in this country, Hispanics are growing rapidly and I've seen article about conflict between blacks, who see their piece of the minority pie shrinking. There was an interesting article awhile back about a city council seat in Phoenix that had traditionally gone to a black person, but was now at risk of being held by a Hispanic, due to a fast-growing Hispanic population in the district.

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  • FlagDUDE08
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    No no no, we don't eat the Bibles; we READ them. Remember, reading Bible plus accepting Jesus equals FOOD!

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  • Kepler
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    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    Honestly - yea. Remember Africa and the Middle East used to be colonies. And when my son was in France he was told he wouldn't have problems if he overstayed his visa because he was white.
    Very simple solution.

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  • joecct
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    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Honestly - yea. Remember Africa and the Middle East used to be colonies. And when my son was in France he was told he wouldn't have problems if he overstayed his visa because he was white.

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