New York Yankees: Order Has Been Restored To The Universe

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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slightly off topic... why hasn't Washburn been mentioned at all? He was pretty good in Seattle, although a massacre in Detroit.

And yes, go ahead and call me dumb, idiot, whatever you wish. This is me simply trying to get insight from the genius' that be. If me doing so can let you get your rocks off on the internet, so be it.

I wouldn't touch Washburn. He started off hot when he got to Detroit but then blew up. He's lefty, sure, but I would want no part of him. Seattle is also a pretty good pitchers park to left field so that helped out Washburn.

I won't call you names here, I'll just say Washburn is a bad idea.

From the sounds of it, the pitcher that will be acquired will be someone who will start and be a #3 or #4 guy for the Yankees which... is pretty good still. Names being bandied about range from potentially awesome to potentially gutting to the farm system to obtain.

Examples: Zambrano (although it's said he won't waive his NTC right now), Josh Johnson from Florida (farm system gutting move), Brian Bannister from KC (Melky or Gardner straight up?), Javy Vazquez from Atlanta (enjoy the flashbacks there kids - he'd still be a good pickup), Ricky Nolasco from Florida (this could be the Ninja-style pickup he'll be good).

[SteveF]

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Jesus Christ.

cant. i hear he plays SS.


wouldnt surprise me if they go for bannister. they tried to get him at the deadline but balked at KC's ask price of $650k!

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Examples: Zambrano (although it's said he won't waive his NTC right now), Josh Johnson from Florida (farm system gutting move), Brian Bannister from KC (Melky or Gardner straight up?), Javy Vazquez from Atlanta (enjoy the flashbacks there kids - he'd still be a good pickup), Ricky Nolasco from Florida (this could be the Ninja-style pickup he'll be good).

If we're talking about assigning numbers to pitchers, Zambrano would be your #2, Johnson your #2, Bannister your #5 or even your long man...Vazquez would be your #2 also. Nolasco probably your #4 but also probably a #5.

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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If we're talking about assigning numbers to pitchers, Zambrano would be your #2, Johnson your #2, Bannister your #5 or even your long man...Vazquez would be your #2 also. Nolasco probably your #4 but also probably a #5.

I agree there, but I think we all know that Burnett will be the #2 in name, at least to start the year. Zambrano would change that numbering immediately. Johnson... probably not, but he'd certainly be better.

The one thing helping the Yankees as far as Johnson goes is that he said he's not signing a long-term deal before the end of the season... Of course if the Yankees are the ones offering the money and not the Marlins, that probably changes things.

[Red Cloud]

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Tyler Kepner's got the straight dope.

Javier Vazquez traded to Yanks for Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and a prospect. Yanks also get LH reliever Boone Logan. Tremendous deal for NYY.

Cashman's a ninja.

EDIT: More from T-Kep. Truth to power.

Since Yanks traded Vazquez after 2004 ALCS, he has over 1000 innings and over 1000 strikeouts. Only other pitcher to do it: Johan Santana. Yanks traded Nick Johnson for Vazquez, who gave up grand slam to Damon in '04 ALCS. Now Damon's gone, and Nick and Javy are back. Wild.

[MattS]

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I hope the Yanks are getting the 2.93 ERA version of Javy and not the 4.91 version they had last time.

My only other thought is who plays left now? Gardner. Ick. I hope Cash isn't done yet.

[Red Cloud]

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My only other thought is who plays left now? Gardner. Ick. I hope Cash isn't done yet.

Well, that's the question, and the answer, really, is one of Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, Mark DeRosa, Jermaine Dye, Marlon Byrd, Randy Winn, Rick Ankiel, or Johnny Damon.

Word coming down now that Ca$hmoney is looking to move either Mitre or Gaudin. I'd prefer to keep Gaudin but he probably has more value on the market.

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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I hope the Yanks are getting the 2.93 ERA version of Javy and not the 4.91 version they had last time.

My only other thought is who plays left now? Gardner. Ick. I hope Cash isn't done yet.

There's another signing to come I'm sure. For now, you'll hear Cashman say, "I am comfortable with Brett Gardner as my left fielder."

And the version you saw last here in New York... Well he was hurt and guess who refused to give him a break? Didn't think I'd let that go now would you?

Fact of the matter here is this is a heist. Vazquez's ERA will come up pitching in the AL East, but he struck out 238 guys last year and has pitched over 200 innings every season save for one where he threw 198. He's a horse, he'll start a ton of games and he strikes out tons of guys. That's awesome.

[Red Cloud]

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Question is, is THIS Cashman's now-becoming-a-tradition uber-ninja move of the offseason, or is that yet to come? Because this seems even more ninja than the Granderson deal.

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Question is, is THIS Cashman's now-becoming-a-tradition uber-ninja move of the offseason, or is that yet to come? Because this seems even more ninja than the Granderson deal.

Giving up IPK and A-Jax for a great cost-controlled-ish starting centerfielder is pretty awesome.

Giving up next to nothing to get a guy who's been a strikeout dominator to help fill out the rotation is equally fantastic.

The uber-ninja move comes when Matt Holliday is patrolling left field.

[du78]

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Here is what I see as the starting pitching.

1 CC
2 AJ
3 Pettitte
4 Vasquez
5 Joba

Hughes stays in bullpen as he is on an innings limit next season and Joba is not.

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Vasquez is probably your second best pitcher. He's at worst your third best pitcher.

[MattS]

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And the version you saw last here in New York... Well he was hurt and guess who refused to give him a break? Didn't think I'd let that go now would you?

Fact of the matter here is this is a heist. Vazquez's ERA will come up pitching in the AL East, but he struck out 238 guys last year and has pitched over 200 innings every season save for one where he threw 198. He's a horse, he'll start a ton of games and he strikes out tons of guys. That's awesome.

Oh, that's right it was all someone else's fault why he sucked in NY! I keep forgetting that.

Like I said I hope he is better this time around but I am not getting my hopes up. This reminds me of those investment commercials where they say "Past performance is not indicative of future performance".

With that being said I like the trade. Melky was very expendable and since the Yanks are so insistent on babying Hughes and Joba (heck, we don't even know if they can start on a regular basis over a full season) at least we have a inning eater. Bottom line is the team is better today than yesterday. Question remains, and it depends upon which Javy shows up, how much better are the Yanks today.

[MattS]

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Vasquez is probably your second best pitcher. He's at worst your third best pitcher.

Is this suppose to make me feel better or worse.

[du78]

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How close is it to the time when Damon tells Boras he wants to be a Yankee and I'll do my own negotiating?