The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

[Kepler]

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I'd like the Party to run a Midwest governor against her just to be sure.

Anybody. 2008 was a great race that produced the best general candidate. Do it again. If she wins this time, vaya con Dios; if not, it's because the candidate who beats her is stronger. Natural selection.

[joecct]

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Anybody. 2008 was a great race that produced the best general candidate. Do it again. If she wins this time, vaya con Dios; if not, it's because the candidate who beats her is stronger. Natural selection.

Great, but is the Party encouraging competition? From what I gather, they're not.

[Kepler]

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Great, but is the Party encouraging competition? From what I gather, they're not.

No idea. The Dems tend to throw things wide open, while the GOP tends to anoint the guy whose "turn" it is. The only changes in procedure I've heard about between 2012 and 2016 are the ones where the GOP is trying to cut their schedule of debates way back. Apparently they feel the less the country sees of their candidates, the better, and after the gong show of 2012 they're probably right.

[Handyman]

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By the time the debates were done last time the Dems could have run Clint Eastwood's empty chair and won. Hell Obama could have gone on TV dressed as a Black Panther, smoking a joint and speaking like a Blacksplotation film and won. The GOP destroyed themselves and it was live on every channel for the world to see.

[joecct]

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Maybe I was unclear. Will the Party countenance any opposition to Hillary in 2016?

And should we be starting a Campaign 2016 thread?

[Handyman]

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Yes the party will...The Clintons may have a lot of clout but they dont own the party.

[Kepler]

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By the time the debates were done last time the Dems could have run Clint Eastwood's empty chair and won. Hell Obama could have gone on TV dressed as a Black Panther, smoking a joint and speaking like a Blacksplotation film and won. The GOP destroyed themselves and it was live on every channel for the world to see.

That's what the debates are for. To introduce us to the candidates. For 2012 at least, that was an entirely fair picture of who the GOP was. Bachmann. Trump. Santorum. Gingrich. Cain. What a freakshow.

[Kepler]

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Maybe I was unclear. Will the Party countenance any opposition to Hillary in 2016?

And should we be starting a Campaign 2016 thread?

Yes, and yes.

It will have been 16 years since Bill's presidency. The Clintonista faction is strong in the party but they're incredibly old. Their rhetoric is old. Their tech outreach is non-existent. They throw money at problems but they have no energy. Even the people who are arguing for Hillary on Dem Underground, Kos, etc and doing it from a purely tactical POV. The only people who find Hillary in any way inspiring or energizing are 48-year old women managers at Wall Street firms who still read Camille Paglia. They're the walking dead.

In terms of organization and strategy, the Clintons are Republicans running in a Dem primary. They have a big Rolodex dominated by wealthy establishment donors... hey, wait a minute...

I've got it: Hillary should run as a Republican! She's farther to the right than Bush Sr., she's the darling of Wall Street, and she thinks like a Republican. And the Republicans would have a candidate with a functioning cerebral cortex for a change. Everybody wins!

[Critical Thinker]

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And should we be starting a Campaign 2016 thread?

I say we save ourselves a step and just skip the campaign and go straight to anointing Hillary.

[Critical Thinker]

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Yes, and yes.

It will have been 16 years since Bill's presidency. The Clintonista faction is strong in the party but they're incredibly old. Their rhetoric is old. Their tech outreach is non-existent. They throw money at problems but they have no energy. Even the people who are arguing for Hillary on Dem Underground, Kos, etc and doing it from a purely tactical POV. The only people who find Hillary in any way inspiring or energizing are 48-year old women managers at Wall Street firms who still read Camille Paglia. They're the walking dead.

In terms of organization and strategy, the Clintons are Republicans running in a Dem primary. They have a big Rolodex dominated by wealthy establishment donors... hey, wait a minute...

I've got it: Hillary should run as a Republican! She's farther to the right than Bush Sr., she's the darling of Wall Street, and she thinks like a Republican. And the Republicans would have a candidate with a functioning cerebral cortex for a change. Everybody wins!

Whoever the Dems nominate *cough* Clinton *cough* *cough* will outraise and outspend the nominee of the supposed "party of the rich." Sure, Republicans will have the business/corporations/etc, but they'll still get outspent overall.

[Kepler]

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Whoever the Dems nominate *cough* Clinton *cough* *cough* will outraise and outspend the nominee of the supposed "party of the rich." Sure, Republicans will have the business/corporations/etc, but they'll still get outspent overall.

I can easily imagine Hillary blowing the Sheldon Adelson AIPAC crowd. If by some miracle of sense and decency Paul won the GOP nomination, Hillary would outraise and outspend him 3:1. She'd have: the standard Dem donors plus the hawks plus the corporatists plus the smart money that always backs the leader. Jesus, make that 4:1.

Well, you know what they say: if you can't drink their whiskey, sleep with their women, take their money, and still vote against them, you don't belong in politics. Guess we'll find out.

[FreshFish]

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I'd like the Party to run a Midwest governor against her just to be sure.

other than Illinois, does any Midwestern state even have a Democrat governor any more?

[Rover]

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other than Illinois, does any Midwestern state even have a Democrat governor any more?

I'd say Missouri and Minnesota off the top of my head.

[St. Clown]

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other than Illinois, does any Midwestern state even have a Democrat governor any more?

21 states have D governors. Do MO and AR count as Midwestern? If so, that makes three others, if not, then one other. Here's the full list for the country, listed by region from west to east:

HI, WA, OR, CA, MT, CO, MN, MO, AR, IL, KY, WV, VA, MD, DE, NY, VT, NH, MA, RI, CT

[joecct]

21 states have D governors. Do MO and AR count as Midwestern? If so, that makes three others, if not, then one other. Here's the full list for the country, listed by region from west to east:

HI, WA, OR, CA, MT, CO, MN, MO, AR, IL, KY, WV, VA, MD, DE, NY, VT, NH, MA, RI, CT

Missouri yes, Arkansas no. But if they're centrist then run them. I don't like anointings two years in advance.