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  • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
    I wish I could kill people indiscriminately, swindle them out of money, ruin their lives and only have to pay a paltry fine. Immortality would be nice too.
    If you didn't throw this caveat in, you could be the Government.
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    • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
      There is no "right" for anyone to pay zero (or any other amount of) taxes. That's simply an OUTCOME of the tax code that Congress has lawfully enacted. How did I just know you were going to screw that up?
      LOL

      Which part of coporations only exist on paper do you not understand? Since they only exist on paper they cannot have Constitutional Rights. Why? Because Constitutional rights are for the People.

      Outcomes may be irrelevant to you but they are the tangible evidence that proves the Constitution has been brought out, burned, and stomped on.

      Oh, and here's another "outcome" for ya. Corporations don't pay estate taxes.
      Last edited by ScoobyDoo; 07-31-2014, 08:52 AM.
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      • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        LOL

        Which part of coporations only exist on paper do you not understand? Since they only exist on paper they cannot have Constitutional Rights. Why? Because Constitutional rights are for the People.

        Outcomes may be irrelevant to you but they are the tangible evidence that proves the Constitution has been brought out, burned, and stomped on.
        Do corporations enjoy the right of sanctity of contracts? That is every bit as much of a Constitutional right as freedom of speech.
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        • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          Then give me the same rights as a corporation.
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          • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

            Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
            Do corporations enjoy the right of sanctity of contracts? That is every bit as much of a Constitutional right as freedom of speech.
            Since corporations only exist on paper they are only afforded the rights that we the People give them.

            Try again.
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            • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

              Still waiting to hear whether corporations can go to jail or not...they are people after all.
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              • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                Still waiting to hear whether corporations can go to jail or not...they are people after all.
                or vote...

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                • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  Since corporations only exist on paper they are only afforded the rights that we the People give them.

                  Try again.
                  Um...how is that different from individuals' rights to free speech? People only have those rights because We the People said they should have them and wrote it down in the Constitution. There is no other basis for any right - for people or for corporations. We dropped the whole "endowed by their Creator" canard between 1776 and 1789.

                  If We the People choose to give a corporation the right of sanctity of contracts and enshrine it in the Constitution, we can (and we have) - there is no higher power stopping us.
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                  • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    What part of Corporations only exist on paper don't you understand?
                    how does this non sequiter address the question of freedom of the press and the right of people peacably to assemble to petition their government?

                    are you also saying you want to repeal the first amendment and replace it with something else?
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                    • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                      how does this non sequiter address the question of freedom of the press and the right of people peacably to assemble to petition their government?

                      are you also saying you want to repeal the first amendment and replace it with something else?
                      It isn't that difficult to understand. You're just being intentionally obtuse.

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                      • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                        Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                        It isn't that difficult to understand.
                        Of course not. At the same time, one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

                        You are studiously avoiding the question at hand, throwing up all sorts of distractions: you clearly want some peacable assemblies to have free speech rights while you want other peacable assemblies not to have free speech rights. Yet you don't want to admit it outright.

                        Whether corporations are "people" or not doesn't matter. The plain text of the First Amendment is obvious enough. "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government." You want to edit that to read "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government, but only in forms of which I approve, and not in forms of which I do not approve."

                        It will be interesting to see how you ultimately word your revision. Both political parties are organized in corporate form, you know...and labor unions are organized in corporate form too. So in your world, some corporations do have free speech rights, while others do not.

                        or are you saying that you don't want labor unions to be able to make political contributions, because they are organized in corporate form, and no corporate entities should have the right to make political contributions?



                        See, the question at hand has nothing whatsoever to do with whether corporations are people, or not. The question is merely, do corporations have the right to make political contributions? if no, then that excludes labor unions too.
                        Last edited by FreshFish; 07-31-2014, 10:47 AM.
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                        • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                          Of course not. At the same time, one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

                          You are studiously avoiding the question at hand, throwing up all sorts of distractions: you clearly want some peacable assemblies to have free speech rights while you want other peacable assemblies not to have free speech rights. Yet you don't want to admit it outright.

                          Whether corporations are "people" or not doesn't matter. The plain text of the First Amendment is obvious enough. "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government." You want to edit that to read "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government, but only in forms of which I approve, and not in forms of which I do not approve."

                          It will be interesting to see how you ultimately word your revision. Both political parties are organized in corporate form, you know...and labor unions are organized in corporate form too. So in your world, some corporations do have free speech rights, while others do not.

                          or are you saying that you don't want labor unions to be able to make political contributions, because they are organized in corporate form, and no corporate entities should have the right to make political contributions?



                          See, the question at hand has nothing whatsoever to do with whether corporations are people, or not. The question is merely, do corporations have the right to make political contributions? if no, then that excludes labor unions too.
                          Yep. Cause whatever the NHL is doing also applies to whatever the Pee Wee's are doing.
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                          • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                            Of course not. At the same time, one has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

                            You are studiously avoiding the question at hand, throwing up all sorts of distractions: you clearly want some peacable assemblies to have free speech rights while you want other peacable assemblies not to have free speech rights. Yet you don't want to admit it outright.

                            Whether corporations are "people" or not doesn't matter. The plain text of the First Amendment is obvious enough. "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government." You want to edit that to read "People have the right...to peacably assemble, to petition the government, but only in forms of which I approve, and not in forms of which I do not approve."

                            It will be interesting to see how you ultimately word your revision. Both political parties are organized in corporate form, you know...and labor unions are organized in corporate form too. So in your world, some corporations do have free speech rights, while others do not.

                            or are you saying that you don't want labor unions to be able to make political contributions, because they are organized in corporate form, and no corporate entities should have the right to make political contributions?



                            See, the question at hand has nothing whatsoever to do with whether corporations are people, or not. The question is merely, do corporations have the right to make political contributions? if no, then that excludes labor unions too.
                            Maybe you do understand. PEOPLE have rights. CORPORATIONS do not. Congratulations.

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                            • Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                              Maybe you do understand. PEOPLE have rights. CORPORATIONS do not. Congratulations.
                              Not according to 200+ years of legal precedent.
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                              • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                                Still waiting...this shouldn't be too hard to answer since you are all so well versed on The Constitution and legal precedent. None of you want to go out on a limb? Should I email Charles Krauthammer and have him answer it for you?
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