The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

[FreshFish]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

Yes of course [voter fraud] occurs. However the frequency and level of damage are without question significantly up for debate.

The far more damaging problem is the widespread perception that voter fraud occurs, and tilts elections consistently to the same side.

If people cannot trust the integrity of elections, that changes the entire dynamic in a very unhealthy way. It's one thing to feel, "okay, well, they won fair and square" and go along with the results, it is different to have sullen resentment if not outright anger that they stole an election and then rammed through legislation that a majority of the country opposed, legislation that costs trillions of dollars that people cannot afford, etc. etc. That kind of perception tears the country apart. It's also in many people's minds a dangerous step from a democratic republic to a totalitarian regime

They had elections in the Soviet Union and in Saddam Hussein's Iraq too you know. Just having elections isn't enough, the essential element is the trust that people have that votes will be counted fairly, You start to erode that trust, and bad situations become even worse.

We know for sure that voter fraud occurs. It makes no sense whatsoever to say that we should just be fine with it and allow it to keep going on.

[unofan]

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The far more damaging problem is the widespread perception that voter fraud occurs...

Widespread? Surely you jest.

It's only prevalent among a certain political segment who may or may not watch and read specific news sources.

[SJHovey]

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"Women's suffrage will destroy the institution of representative democracy." -- Same argument, 1915

That one turned out to be true, at least in my household. When my wife votes, I get no vote at all.

[Bob Gray]

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Eugenics? Heck we're killing babies now because they don't fit the right "profile". IIRC Eugenics was the big "thing" 100 years ago. Can't have those non whites breeding too much can we?

Artificial wombs? I can see it. Honor Harrington did it.

And the devout secularists are going to find out that their vision of Utopia isn't .

Things are coming full circle, as they often do. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was big into eugenics as a way of dealing with minorities. Not to mention her buddies in 1930s Germany.

[LynahFan]

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Things are coming full circle, as they often do. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was big into eugenics as a way of dealing with minorities. Not to mention her buddies in 1930s Germany.

Ha ha ha ha. If your day job doesn't work out, there's always standup comedy - perhaps you and joecct can form a duo act.

It's completely laughable that anyone would equate couples' voluntary termination of pregnancies due to birth defects and other issues with a national program of state-enforced abortions for the purpose of altering the gene pool at large (you know, eugenics).

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was big into eugenics as a way of dealing with minorities. Not to mention her buddies in 1930s Germany.

Are you at least going to cite that broad, unspecific claim, or are you just going to leave us to assume you've been devouring the latest NRL nonsense?

[FreshFish]

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Are you at least going to cite that broad, unspecific claim, or are you just going to leave us to assume you've been devouring the latest NRL nonsense?

um, Margaret Sanger's interest in promoting birth control as a way to keep "unwanted" populations from growing in number is pretty widespread knowledge, if I recall correctly.

Wikipedia:

Sanger....has also been criticized for supporting eugenics.

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As part of her efforts to promote birth control, Sanger found common cause with proponents of eugenics, believing that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aims to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit. Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded. In her book The Pivot of Civilization, she advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating

At the same time, I do think it is unfair to lump her in with the Nazis. Sanger opposed euthanasia, according to the same Wiki source. She "merely" wanted to reduce the reproductive capacity of the "unfit," she did not go so far as to want to actively kill them off.

[Bob Gray]

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Are you at least going to cite that broad, unspecific claim, or are you just going to leave us to assume you've been devouring the latest NRL nonsense?

I've posted lots of info on that a number of times in the past around here. If you google for two seconds you would find plenty on it. The PP supporters around here haven't denied it in the past, they just try to say that she's ancient history and not reflective of the current organization, even though the current organization honors her in many ways.

Here's some quotes from her. Her desire to exterminate "the Negro population" is one of the real eye openers.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/1...rgaret-sanger/

Here's an example of the info out there on Sanger, PP, and their ties to the Nazis.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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um, Margaret Sanger's interest in promoting birth control as a way to keep "unwanted" populations from growing in number is pretty widespread knowledge, if I recall correctly.

Wikipedia:




At the same time, I do think it is unfair to lump her in with the Nazis. Sanger opposed euthanasia, according to the same Wiki source. She "merely" wanted to reduce the reproductive capacity of the "unfit," she did not go so far as to want to actively kill them off.

Good Lord.

Try again, and this time don't use Wikipedia as a source.

[Bob Gray]

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um, Margaret Sanger's interest in promoting birth control as a way to keep "unwanted" populations from growing in number is pretty widespread knowledge, if I recall correctly.

Wikipedia:

At the same time, I do think it is unfair to lump her in with the Nazis. Sanger opposed euthanasia, according to the same Wiki source. She "merely" wanted to reduce the reproductive capacity of the "unfit," she did not go so far as to want to actively kill them off.

Certainly Sanger wasn't on board with many things the Nazis did, at least from what I've read. But, their common interest in creating a purer greater race, eliminating less desirable groups of people, and such are quite apparent.

[Bob Gray]

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Good Lord.

Try again, and this time don't use Wikipedia as a source.

The usual complain about the source instead of discuss the content. Do you have some alternative history of Sanger you'd like to produce?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I've posted lots of info on that a number of times in the past around here. If you google for two seconds you would find plenty on it. The PP supporters around here haven't denied it in the past, they just try to say that she's ancient history and not reflective of the current organization, even though the current organization honors her in many ways.

Here's some quotes from her. Her desire to exterminate "the Negro population" is one of the real eye openers.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/1...rgaret-sanger/

Here's an example of the info out there on Sanger, PP, and their ties to the Nazis.

Fair enough, I suppose. I'd question that "Life News" source, but I suppose it's no less accurate than any of the Maddow and Daily Kos citations that pop up around here.

The usual complain about the source instead of discuss the content. Do you have some alternative history of Sanger you'd like to produce?

Bob, even today's middle schoolers know that try as they might, they can't get away with a Wikipedia citation. I would've accepted almost anything else, because while it may be exaggerated, at least it's not an editable article.

[Slap Shot]

The far more damaging problem is the widespread perception that voter fraud occurs, and tilts elections consistently to the same side.

If people cannot trust the integrity of elections, that changes the entire dynamic in a very unhealthy way. It's one thing to feel, "okay, well, they won fair and square" and go along with the results, it is different to have sullen resentment if not outright anger that they stole an election and then rammed through legislation that a majority of the country opposed, legislation that costs trillions of dollars that people cannot afford, etc. etc. That kind of perception tears the country apart. It's also in many people's minds a dangerous step from a democratic republic to a totalitarian regime.

Apparently there's no level of b.s. you won't stoop to.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Certainly Sanger wasn't on board with many things the Nazis did, at least from what I've read. But, their common interest in creating a purer greater race, eliminating less desirable groups of people, and such are quite apparent.

So, you're coming out against Birth Control, Bob? That's a strong position.

See, I can draw lines that don't exist as well.

[Bob Gray]

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So, you're coming out against Birth Control, Bob? That's a strong position.

See, I can draw lines that don't exist as well.

Eugenics goes far beyond birth control, which you'd know if you're paying attention. You on board with exterminating the Negro population, like Sanger promoted?

Which part of this quote from one of Sanger's books doesn't sink in?

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."