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  • #1081
    Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

    Bottom line is they do this to pensions and it's just another giveaway to the rich and powerful. Not surprising. We tax the poor and middle class to pay for millionaire's and billionaire's to provide non-existent jobs while the invert their companies and build factories in China.

    No shock here.
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    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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    • #1082
      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Bottom line is they do this to pensions and it's just another giveaway to the rich and powerful. Not surprising. We tax the poor and middle class to pay for millionaire's and billionaire's to provide non-existent jobs while the invert their companies and build factories in China.

      No shock here.
      Inversion is a consequence of the current tax law. You can't fault anyone for wanting to lower their tax bill to the lowest legally permitted amount.

      As for shifting jobs - blame every free trade agreement (and greed).

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      Pensions - you'd bankrupt the tax base of you had to get the public pension funds up to fully funded status in a very short time period. The chickens are coming home to roost.

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      Slap - I'm closer to Pat Buchanan than say the current GOP leadership.
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      • #1083
        Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Bottom line is they do this to pensions and it's just another giveaway to the rich and powerful.
        That's not even close to what that case is about.

        Bankruptcies are battles between creditors, nothing more, nothing less. Just picking over the bones of failure.

        Sometimes the bankrupt party wants to favor certain creditors, for whatever reason. In this case it was political. Obviously it's in the interest of elected officials to take the position their employee's (and elector's) pensions get higher priority compared with more general creditors. This judge concluded the law doesn't permit that.
        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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        • #1084
          Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          Inversion is a consequence of the current tax law. You can't fault anyone for wanting to lower their tax bill to the lowest legally permitted amount.

          As for shifting jobs - blame every free trade agreement (and greed).

          --------------
          Pensions - you'd bankrupt the tax base of you had to get the public pension funds up to fully funded status in a very short time period. The chickens are coming home to roost.

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          Slap - I'm closer to Pat Buchanan than say the current GOP leadership.
          I can't fault corps for not paying their bills in this country? ROTFLMAO, the hell I can't.
          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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          • #1085
            Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            That's the problem with government. Without an external check on its power, it has always degenerated into a racket.
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            • #1086
              Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
              .
              Here's where your rhetoric always falls apart. 1% of the country wants to see a world of just the public sector running the economy. 30% of the country wants to see a world of just the private sector running the economy. Both groups are morons. But the latter group has captured a major political party.
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              • #1087
                Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Here's where your rhetoric always falls apart. 1% of the country wants to see a world of just the public sector running the economy. 30% of the country wants to see a world of just the private sector running the economy. Both groups are morons. But the latter group has captured a major political party.
                Yeah, it's sad to see the Dems beholden to unions. OH WAIT, you mean the Republicans and the corporations. As if they don't give money to the Dems as well.

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                May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                Originally posted by Kepler
                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                • #1088
                  Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  Yeah, it's sad to see the Dems beholden to unions. OH WAIT, you mean the Republicans and the corporations. As if they don't give money to the Dems as well.

                  That didn't make any sense in reference to what I said. It's a valid point, but it has nothing to do with the topic, which is that there aren't any actual 100% government, 0% private idiots left, but there is a whole cult of 100% private, 0% government idiots who only stop masturbating to Jerry Pournelle long enough to call CSPAN and squawk about mrah mrah too much gubmint mrah mrah.
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                  • #1089
                    Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                    I must have missed it then.
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                    Originally posted by SanTropez
                    May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                    Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                    I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                    Originally posted by Kepler
                    When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                    He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                    • #1090
                      Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      I must have missed it then.
                      I did my best, but it's late. Did it make sense the second time around?
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                      • #1091
                        Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                        Yep. I may have been drinking. It's cold and blustery here. It's like pitchers and catchers reporting but for bourbon season. o

                        Oh yeah, it's snowing too.
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                        Originally posted by SanTropez
                        May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                        Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                        I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                        Originally posted by Kepler
                        When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                        He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                        • #1092
                          Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                          This is interesting. I'm reminded of hockey where coaches coach, players play, refs decide and parents cheer. When one crosses over and tries to do something other than what is intended, bad things can happen.

                          So we have this. http://news.yahoo.com/two-little-kno...-politics.html

                          Should Congress tell SCOTUS how to interpret the law? Write (often badly) the law, but don't try to interpret it. The Executive should enforce the law, and the judicial interprets.

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                          • #1093
                            Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Inversion is a consequence of the current tax law. You can't fault anyone for wanting to lower their tax bill to the lowest legally permitted amount.

                            As for shifting jobs - blame every free trade agreement (and greed).

                            --------------
                            Pensions - you'd bankrupt the tax base of you had to get the public pension funds up to fully funded status in a very short time period. The chickens are coming home to roost.

                            -----------
                            Slap - I'm closer to Pat Buchanan than say the current GOP leadership.
                            Sorry but your rhetoric falls apart when you blame it on the tax law. If we cut corporate taxes to zero they still would move jobs out of here. GE pays zero taxes, gets all sorts of subsidies and grants and still has been moving jobs to cheaper labor areas. Plenty of cases where local business move abroad even after they get tax breaks and cheap land to build on.

                            This BS notion that high taxes are why companies leave the US stinks from the head. They will still leave because they dont want to pay a minimum wage.

                            Business has no loyalty to this country and we need to stop pretending it does. They wont come back in droves with jobs just because we cut taxes when they can still outsource to India and pay a third the wages.
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                            • #1094
                              Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                              Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                              Sorry but your rhetoric falls apart when you blame it on the tax law. If we cut corporate taxes to zero they still would move jobs out of here. GE pays zero taxes, gets all sorts of subsidies and grants and still has been moving jobs to cheaper labor areas. Plenty of cases where local business move abroad even after they get tax breaks and cheap land to build on.

                              This BS notion that high taxes are why companies leave the US stinks from the head. They will still leave because they don't want to pay a minimum wage.

                              Business has no loyalty to this country and we need to stop pretending it does. They wont come back in droves with jobs just because we cut taxes when they can still outsource to India and pay a third the wages.
                              Profits are never welcome in their home country.
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                              ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
                              - Benjamin Franklin

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                              I want to live forever. So far, so good.

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                              • #1095
                                Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Profits are never welcome in their home country.
                                VERY nice! Is that original?
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