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  • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    Gay marriage. $1.5B cuts in defense spending. $700M tax hikes on the wealthy. PPACA. Dodd-Frank. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    We live in a center-left country. We have been for at least the last 22 years.
    Center-left electorate (in on year races). Center-right political establishment. $1.5B cuts in defense spending when $65.5B would be a good start. $700M tax hikes on the wealthy when $7T would be a good start. We've lived under the shadow of far right economic theory for so long that even center-right strides now look like "big gains." Give me 1955 tax brackets and Gini and then we'll talk about center-left politics.
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    • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      the larger problem of lifting the dead weight of the plutocratic parasite off our back is not going to get solved by the current party configuration. That's going to have to boil up from below, and it will probably be a populist movement that is as much right as left and brings with it as many problems as it solves.
      an apt summary of the original Tea Party, before it was co-opted by self-aggrandizing showboats.
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      • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

        I am picturing Kepler playing Graham Chapman, Rover playing Eric Idle, Bob as John Cleese.

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        • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
          an apt summary of the original Tea Party, before it was co-opted by self-aggrandizing showboats.
          I agree with this. I had high hopes for the TP for about the first five minutes, before Glenn Beck and that crowd re-purposed it as a way to fleece herpa-derps of their cash.
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          • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            I am picturing Kepler playing Graham Chapman
            It is humbling to realize that by the time Graham Chapman was my age he had been dead for 3 years.
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            • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              Center-left electorate (in on year races). Center-right political establishment. $1.5B cuts in defense spending when $65.5B would be a good start. $700M tax hikes on the wealthy when $7T would be a good start. We've lived under the shadow of far right economic theory for so long that even center-right strides now look like "big gains." Give me 1955 tax brackets and Gini and then we'll talk about center-left politics.
              Apologies, its $1.5T over 10 years for defense and $700B over 10 years for tax hikes on the rich...

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              • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                I vote Dem because I want to see Dem policies in place, but the larger problem of lifting the dead weight of the plutocratic parasite off our back is not going to get solved by the current party configuration. That's going to have to boil up from below, and it will probably be a populist movement that is as much right as left and brings with it as many problems as it solves.
                The Tea Party and Occupy might have been that coalition, but the Tea Party got coöpted by the evangelical right and Occupy fizzled.

                (Granted, even though they agreed in the broadest of strokes about the nature of the problem, they had pretty fundamental differences about how it ought to be solved, so there might not really have been the seeds of a coalition anyway...)
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                • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                  Funny how those who complain the most about "money corrupting politics" have no problem whatsoever about accepting it!!



                  The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has so far this cycle raised $111 million, or $30 million more than the National Republican Senatorial Committee. The DSCC has spent or reserved nearly $42 million for this fall in TV advertising—55% of it in Iowa, Colorado and North Carolina. The $23 million it will spend in those three key states—which could determine Senate control—is $4 million more than the NRSC will spend across the country.
                  I'm sure there is a great rationalization for the hypocrisy, though....
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                  • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                    Funny how those who complain the most about "money corrupting politics" have no problem whatsoever about accepting it!!

                    I'm sure there is a great rationalization for the hypocrisy, though....
                    Agreed. We never hear the end of complaining about the Koch Brothers, but nary a word about George Soros. People lose a lot of credibility when they can't see problems on both sides of the fence.
                    Originally posted by Priceless
                    Good to see you're so reasonable.
                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                    Very well, said.
                    Originally posted by Rover
                    A fair assessment Bob.

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                    • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                      Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                      Agreed. We never hear the end of complaining about the Koch Brothers, but nary a word about George Soros. People lose a lot of credibility when they can't see problems on both sides of the fence.
                      Nary a word, indeed

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                      • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                        Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                        Agreed. We never hear the end of complaining about the Koch Brothers, but nary a word about George Soros. People lose a lot of credibility when they can't see problems on both sides of the fence.

                        Straw man argument. I have no problem with money in politics since most of it gets wasted anyway, and at some point you actually have to campaign to win the race. However if someone is voting for legislation to restrict these donations, but in the meantime has decided to play by the rules currently in place, that makes them pragmatic, not a hypocrite.
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                        • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                          Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          Straw man argument. I have no problem with money in politics since most of it gets wasted anyway, and at some point you actually have to campaign to win the race. However if someone is voting for legislation to restrict these donations, but in the meantime has decided to play by the rules currently in place, that makes them pragmatic, not a hypocrite.
                          Not at all. You are responding to something I didn't say. I'm just saying it people complain about the issue regarding one party, they should apply the same critical view to the same thing going on in their party of choice.
                          Originally posted by Priceless
                          Good to see you're so reasonable.
                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                          Very well, said.
                          Originally posted by Rover
                          A fair assessment Bob.

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                          • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                            Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                            Agreed. We never hear the end of complaining about the Koch Brothers, but nary a word about George Soros. People lose a lot of credibility when they can't see problems on both sides of the fence.
                            Assume each time I mention Koch I also mean Soros.
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                            • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                              Originally posted by GrinCDXX View Post
                              If that's the best you can do, you make my point for me.
                              Originally posted by Priceless
                              Good to see you're so reasonable.
                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                              Very well, said.
                              Originally posted by Rover
                              A fair assessment Bob.

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                              • Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                Assume each time I mention Koch I also mean Soros.
                                Why not say Soros and the I'll assume you also mean Koch. It'd spice up your postings a good bit!
                                Originally posted by Priceless
                                Good to see you're so reasonable.
                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                                Very well, said.
                                Originally posted by Rover
                                A fair assessment Bob.

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