Game of Thrones - Season 4: Who Is Jon Snow?

[owslachief]

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Right. This puts Tywin in a tough situation, he won't want Jaime to be killed for all of the reasons you say. I wonder if Tywin would even expect Jaime to stand for Tyrion...This is the way for Tyrion to get out of it completely.

Whatever Tywin's motivations or expectations, there's no getting around the Laws of Gods and Men - that Cersei stands as the accuser. She gets to decide who will be her champion - she gets that Jaime is very sympathetic to Tirion (he's ready to rule at Casterly Rock as part of the original deal to save Tirion's life - something he was unwilling to do earlier), and Tirion is the one person in the Seven Kingdoms she despises the most. So she'd rather sacrifice whoever she can, and will take no chances when picking a champion. She only really loves / loved her children. Bron or Jaime for the accused? Possibilities. Also one guy has defeated Ser Gregor to date (Loras Tyrell).

[97osu]

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You know, if Tywin did call the Mountain in as a champion for the Crown, it might be a setup to give Prince Oberyn the chance to kill him in single combat, acting as Tyrion's champion. Just a thought, but it seems like a long one to me.

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Also one guy has defeated Ser Gregor to date (Loras Tyrell).

Well, technically he was defeated by the horse Loras was riding on.

His brother fought him to a stalemate, though.

[St. Clown]

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If you're giving an not at all subtle hint that I figured out what will actually happen because you've read the books, please don't do that anymore.

[owslachief]

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Well, technically he was defeated by the horse Loras was riding on.

His brother fought him to a stalemate, though.

And yeah the Hound saved Ser Loras' butt back in the good ole jousting days, but he's clearly got enough on his hands with a little Stark.

[bigblue_dl]

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If you're giving an not at all subtle hint that I figured out what will actually happen because you've read the books, please don't do that anymore.

This.


I don't care if anyone has read the books, keep it to yourself. This is a thread about the TV series, not the books, if you want to discuss the books, start a new thread.

[unofan]

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This.

I don't care if anyone has read the books, keep it to yourself. This is a thread about the TV series, not the books, if you want to discuss the books, start a new thread.

I don't really care either way (I read one book and while I respect the universe and GRRM's point of not letting people live just because they're good, I'm not gonna read a series or watch a tv show where literally everyone you care about gets killed off), but that's kind of ridiculous, isn't it? The answers are out there, but because you guys don't want to read it, you can't talk about it? Isn't that a bit like saying "Don't spoil the end of the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter" when those movies came out, even though the books had been out there for years or, in the LotR example, decades prior? I guess most recently, can we not spoil how the end of the Hunger Games or Hobbit movies will end?

You can speculate on what happens, but people who have read the books can't speculate on how the tv show will mesh with/change/stay true to the books?

[Shirtless Guy]

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I don't really care either way (I read one book and while I respect the universe and GRRM's point of not letting people live just because they're good, I'm not gonna read a series or watch a tv show where literally everyone you care about gets killed off), but that's kind of ridiculous, isn't it? The answers are out there, but because you guys don't want to read it, you can't talk about it? Isn't that a bit like saying "Don't spoil the end of the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter" when those movies came out, even though the books had been out there for years or, in the LotR example, decades prior?

You can speculate on what happens, but people who have read the books can't speculate on how the tv show will mesh/change/stay true to the books?

Sure you can...in a different thread. There is a reason the AV Club has 2 separate reviews of the show each week.

[Shirtless Guy]

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I don't really care either way (I read one book and while I respect the universe and GRRM's point of not letting people live just because they're good, I'm not gonna read a series or watch a tv show where literally everyone you care about gets killed off), but that's kind of ridiculous, isn't it? The answers are out there, but because you guys don't want to read it, you can't talk about it? Isn't that a bit like saying "Don't spoil the end of the Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter" when those movies came out, even though the books had been out there for years or, in the LotR example, decades prior? I guess most recently, can we not spoil how the end of the Hunger Games or Hobbit movies will end?

You can speculate on what happens, but people who have read the books can't speculate on how the tv show will mesh with/change/stay true to the books?

Do you think its fair to those who haven't read the books to say I wonder how they'll kill Ned Stark? If they'll hold to the book and have Sansa watching, etc? Obviously I'm using a very early example...

[unofan]

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Do you think its fair to those who haven't read the books to say I wonder how they'll kill Ned Stark? If they'll hold to the book and have Sansa watching, etc? Obviously I'm using a very early example...

I think its fair when the source material has been out there for awhile; we're not talking about a leaked script or a contemporaneous novelization, for instance. In this case, it's been three years since Book 5 came out, and a whopping nine years since Book 4 (again, having only read book 1, I have no clue how far along the tv series is, but if a season = a book, then we're talking about stuff that has been readily available to the public for nearly a decade). The original book came out almost 20 years ago.

As amusing as the reaction to the whole Red Wedding scene was on twitter/facebook/etc was, a lot of that amusement came from the fact that people were surprised by something that was written down over 10 years earlier.

[Shirtless Guy]

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I think its fair when the source material has been out there for awhile; we're not talking about a leaked script or a contemporaneous novelization, for instance. In this case, it's been three years since Book 5 came out, and a whopping nine years since Book 4 (again, having only read book 1, I have no clue how far along the tv series is, but if a season = a book, then we're talking about stuff that has been readily available to the public for nearly a decade). The original book came out almost 20 years ago.

As amusing as the reaction to the whole Red Wedding scene was on twitter/facebook/etc was, a lot of that amusement came from the fact that people were surprised by something that was written down over 10 years earlier.

You really don't get the fact that lots of people haven't read the books. Some of the books may be over a decade old but they weren't popular a decade ago to the general public like Lord of the Rings. I just think its silly to jump in here and drop spoilers to people who haven't read the books and don't plan to make time to read the books. The red wedding happened and you think it would have been fine to come in here and wonder how they'll kill all those people before we even know it's happen?

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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The books, as good as they are, are quite laborious to read. It's fair to not have to expect people to know what happens.

And the fact that people can find more information on what happened in the books is all the more reason not to talk about it here. If people want to see what happens without reading or waiting for the show to catch up, there's a wiki with tons of detailed chapter summaries from the books. No need to discuss those points here.

One of the cool things about how fandom of this show has shaped is that many of the book readers have taken it upon themselves to not spoil things for the show-only people, and it's made events like Ned's death, the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding that much more fun to see the reaction to.

So, all that said... don't spoil stuff from the books.

[bronconick]

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The books, as good as they are, are quite laborious to read. It's fair to not have to expect people to know what happens.

And the fact that people can find more information on what happened in the books is all the more reason not to talk about it here. If people want to see what happens without reading or waiting for the show to catch up, there's a wiki with tons of detailed chapter summaries from the books. No need to discuss those points here.

One of the cool things about how fandom of this show has shaped is that many of the book readers have taken it upon themselves to not spoil things for the show-only people, and it's made events like ***** that much more fun to see the reaction to.

So, all that said... don't spoil stuff from the books.

I view this like I view comic books. Don't spoil every movie because I haven't read them when they came out 30 years ago.

[rufus]

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Do you think its fair to those who haven't read the books to say I wonder how they'll kill Ned Stark? If they'll hold to the book and have Sansa watching, etc? Obviously I'm using a very early example...

Damm, now you ruined it!!!!

[97osu]

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If you're giving an not at all subtle hint that I figured out what will actually happen because you've read the books, please don't do that anymore.

I won't. I honestly thought you were writing it tongue in cheek, and was laughing along with you.