College Football Players---Students or Employees?

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: College Football Players---Students or Employees?

This ruling will never stand anyway. Way too many holes, not to mention a favorite topic around here: Title IX.

Does Title IX apply to college hiring?

[JF_Gophers]

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Title IX has no direct effect on this issue.

[LynahFan]

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They certainly could. Meaning it's theoretically possible. Is it likely? I don't think so.

I think it's inevitable. If your coach is running a program that is netting $50M to the university, he probably really is worth $5M per year. However, if you have to start paying your players, sharing in marketing revenue, etc, so the program's net return to the general fund is only $10M, would you really pay your coach $5M? Or, put differently, if the school does continue to pay the coach $5M, you can bet that they're going to be pressuring him to cut costs in order to preserve as much as possible profit for the university (i.e. increase the $10M return).

[Priceless]

Title IX has no direct effect on this issue.

Hmmm. I saw a story linked by someone on Twitter that title IX and players in non-revenue sports would render this ruling moot. Will look back to find it.

[Slap Shot]

Title IX has no direct effect on this issue.

Not so fast my friend. It may not have a direct impact, but like the movement that created it there's going to be a similar reaction when pay for play is argued inequitable.

[Bob Gray]

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I think it's inevitable. If your coach is running a program that is netting $50M to the university, he probably really is worth $5M per year. However, if you have to start paying your players, sharing in marketing revenue, etc, so the program's net return to the general fund is only $10M, would you really pay your coach $5M? Or, put differently, if the school does continue to pay the coach $5M, you can bet that they're going to be pressuring him to cut costs in order to preserve as much as possible profit for the university (i.e. increase the $10M return).

But a good coach makes a huge revenue difference, so if you reduce the coach's pay, another school will step in and offer more, as if the other school offers $3 million, but the coach adds $10 million in revenue, it's still a bargain. A top football coach brings a lot of value to a college football program, and their pay inevitably will reflect that.

[HumRsky]

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This all reminds me of the passage on college football in Kurt Vonnegut's first novel, 1952's "Player Piano." He was WAY ahead of his time. Here's an excerpt from that chapter:

Buck Young, tall, massive, shy, appeared in the doorway and looked around the room. Doctor Roseberry stood and waved, and left Purdy and McCloud to join him at the door.
"Bucky boy!"
"Doc." Buck seemed somewhat ashamed to be seen with the coach, and looked hopefully at a vacant booth. He was behaving as though he were keeping an appointment with a dope peddler, and, in a way, Doctor Roseberry reflected cheerfully, he was.
"Buck, I'm not going to waste any words, because there isn't much time. This offer won't be open many more days. Maybe it'll be off tomorrow. It's all up to the alumni," he lied.
"Uh-huh," said Buck.
"I'm prepared to offer you thirty thousand, Buck, six hundred a week, all year round, startin' tomorrow. What do you say?"
Young's Adam's apple bobbed. He cleared his throat. "Every week?" he asked faintly.
"That's how much we think of you, boy. Don't sell yourself short."
"And I could study, too? You'd give me time off for classes and study?"
Roseberry frowned. "Well - there's some pretty stiff rulings about that. You can't play college football, and go to school. They tried that once, and you know what a silly mess that was."

[Jimjamesak]

Not so fast my friend. It may not have a direct impact, but like the movement that created it there's going to be a similar reaction when pay for play is argued inequitable.

WNBA players do not make as much as NBA because of revenue generated, same thing for women's basketball vs football. They can argue all they want, but until they show money, they won't get as much.

[thebrain]

WNBA players do not make as much as NBA because of revenue generated, same thing for women's basketball vs football. They can argue all they want, but until they show money, they won't get as much.

True, but the NBA and WNBA aren't educational institutions receiving federal money.

[JF_Gophers]

Not so fast my friend. It may not have a direct impact, but like the movement that created it there's going to be a similar reaction when pay for play is argued inequitable.

Once they are deemed employees there can be no threat of federal aid being taken away for pay inequity. Im sure female professors make less than male ones on avg. Yet no actions are being taken.

[thebrain]

Once they are deemed employees there can be no threat of federal aid being taken away for pay inequity. Im sure female professors make less than male ones on avg. Yet no actions are being taken.

According to this: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tix_dis.html it does cover teacher pay through the Office of Civil Rights.

[JF_Gophers]

According to this: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tix_dis.html it does cover teacher pay through the Office of Civil Rights.

interesting since teaching isn't an activity that would receive aid.

I wonder how that works if the men have union negotiated wages vs a non union women's team. wouldn't they simply need to negotiate their own pay?

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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This all reminds me of the passage on college football in Kurt Vonnegut's first novel, 1952's "Player Piano." He was WAY ahead of his time. Here's an excerpt from that chapter:

I think I might have to read this novel now.

[joecct]

You all seem to be overlooking one thing:



It's so that an 18-year-old football player doesn't get paralyzed and then told, "Sorry, insurance only covers $100,000 and then you're on your own!"

This ruling will never stand anyway. Way too many holes, not to mention a favorite topic around here: Title IX.

And remember the whole student-athlete terminology came into being because the NCAA did not want to get involved in workers compensation cases. If the employer-employee relationship is upheld, then the athletes would be eligible for WC.

[unofan]

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Meanwhile, a UNC football player got an A- for this:

http://deadspin.com/this-unc-athlete...ame-1552798110