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I don't for a second believe that there's any structural reason why a UConn basketball player would be "going to bed hungry" on a routine basis. At best, that's an exaggeration because he's caught up in the momentum toward athletes' rights. A quick trip to Google reveals that there are UConn dining halls open continuously from 7 am until 7:15 pm (and 3 dining halls are open until 10pm Sun-Thur), except for a pause between breakfast and lunch from 10:45 am until 11:00 am. Major bummer that the only break in their practice schedule all day occurs during that time, eh? What are the odds?
I was a varsity athlete; practice ended at 7 and the dining halls closed at 7:30. I was easily able to down 5-6 entrees in the time available to replace the calories burned during practice.
Don't get me wrong - I still think that schools should have to pay the athletes upon whose backs they are making bank. There are plenty of REAL reasons why I think that way, which have nothing to do with bogus tales of athletes going hungry.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostI don't for a second believe that there's any structural reason why a UConn basketball player would be "going to bed hungry" on a routine basis. At best, that's an exaggeration because he's caught up in the momentum toward athletes' rights. A quick trip to Google reveals that there are UConn dining halls open continuously from 7 am until 7:15 pm (and 3 dining halls are open until 10pm Sun-Thur), except for a pause between breakfast and lunch from 10:45 am until 11:00 am. Major bummer that the only break in their practice schedule all day occurs during that time, eh? What are the odds?
I was a varsity athlete; practice ended at 7 and the dining halls closed at 7:30. I was easily able to down 5-6 entrees in the time available to replace the calories burned during practice.
Don't get me wrong - I still think that schools should have to pay the athletes upon whose backs they are making bank. There are plenty of REAL reasons why I think that way, which have nothing to do with bogus tales of athletes going hungry.North Dakota
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View PostI think we're forgetting that upperclassmen that do not live on campus do not get to just walk into the mess hall and eat. They don't have a meal card. The Northwestern players got a stipend of $1200-1600 for all of their living expenses. I'm not entirely familiar with the cost of living expenses around Northwestern, so I can't really say whether or not that is realistic to live off of or not.It's never too early to start the Pre-game festivities
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I think what many of you are overlooking is that we are dealing with the NCAA here. Did you think I was kidding this morning when I wrote about the creamed cheese on a bagel? I wasn't. When the NCAA cracked down on us (UMaine) one of the items in the report was that scholarship athletes were (gasp!) taking extra puddings from the dining hall back to their room. Nevermind that this was common practice for almost every student - scholarship athlete or not - the NCAA came down on us for pudding (it all seemed incredibly ridiculous - charge someone with attempted murder and tack on a jaywalking charge just for the hell of it).
I personally find his story very believable. If his story was all a lie, why did the NCAA have to change their policy after he spoke out? If he was full of crap, they wouldn't have had to change their policy, would they? And don't give me this hogwash about "they did it for PR purposes" because the NCAA does plenty of things that aren't popular. Parent dies and the kid can't afford plane fare back for the funeral, tough crap says the NCAA. If the coach or anyone else provides the kid plane fare home it's an NCAA violation. When I went to Homecoming last fall and went to dinner with one of the hockey players, I couldn't pick up the bill for his meal because that would be an NCAA violation. If his parents come into town for a week and they want to take him and his roomie/teammate out to eat, they can do that twice a month. Do it more and it's an NCAA violation. So yes, I can see how he could be telling the truth. I don't trust the NC$$ and you'll never convince me to.
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostI think what many of you are overlooking is that we are dealing with the NCAA here. Did you think I was kidding this morning when I wrote about the creamed cheese on a bagel? I wasn't. When the NCAA cracked down on us (UMaine) one of the items in the report was that scholarship athletes were (gasp!) taking extra puddings from the dining hall back to their room. Nevermind that this was common practice for almost every student - scholarship athlete or not - the NCAA came down on us for pudding (it all seemed incredibly ridiculous - charge someone with attempted murder and tack on a jaywalking charge just for the hell of it).
I personally find his story very believable. If his story was all a lie, why did the NCAA have to change their policy after he spoke out? If he was full of crap, they wouldn't have had to change their policy, would they? And don't give me this hogwash about "they did it for PR purposes" because the NCAA does plenty of things that aren't popular. Parent dies and the kid can't afford plane fare back for the funeral, tough crap says the NCAA. If the coach or anyone else provides the kid plane fare home it's an NCAA violation. When I went to Homecoming last fall and went to dinner with one of the hockey players, I couldn't pick up the bill for his meal because that would be an NCAA violation. If his parents come into town for a week and they want to take him and his roomie/teammate out to eat, they can do that twice a month. Do it more and it's an NCAA violation. So yes, I can see how he could be telling the truth. I don't trust the NC$$ and you'll never convince me to.U-A-A!!!Go!Go!GreenandGold!
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Originally posted by hockeyplayer1015 View PostDo you have evidence that he likely did not have a meal card?North Dakota
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostI personally find his story very believable. If his story was all a lie, why did the NCAA have to change their policy after he spoke out? If he was full of crap, they wouldn't have had to change their policy, would they? And don't give me this hogwash about "they did it for PR purposes" because the NCAA does plenty of things that aren't popular. Parent dies and the kid can't afford plane fare back for the funeral, tough crap says the NCAA. If the coach or anyone else provides the kid plane fare home it's an NCAA violation. When I went to Homecoming last fall and went to dinner with one of the hockey players, I couldn't pick up the bill for his meal because that would be an NCAA violation. If his parents come into town for a week and they want to take him and his roomie/teammate out to eat, they can do that twice a month. Do it more and it's an NCAA violation. So yes, I can see how he could be telling the truth. I don't trust the NC$$ and you'll never convince me to.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by LynahFan View Post... This guy had a bully pulpit because he just won the national championship, and he used it to win more benefits for athletes from the NCAA, so good on him for that - but that doesn't make it true, nor, even if it were true that he did go to bed hungry does it mean that it was not at least partly due to some of his own choices. ...Originally posted by LynahFan View PostI don't for a second believe that there's any structural reason why a UConn basketball player would be "going to bed hungry" on a routine basis. At best, that's an exaggeration because he's caught up in the momentum toward athletes' rights. A quick trip to Google reveals that there are UConn dining halls open continuously from 7 am until 7:15 pm (and 3 dining halls are open until 10pm Sun-Thur), except for a pause between breakfast and lunch from 10:45 am until 11:00 am. Major bummer that the only break in their practice schedule all day occurs during that time, eh? What are the odds?
I was a varsity athlete; practice ended at 7 and the dining halls closed at 7:30. I was easily able to down 5-6 entrees in the time available to replace the calories burned during practice.
Don't get me wrong - I still think that schools should have to pay the athletes upon whose backs they are making bank. There are plenty of REAL reasons why I think that way, which have nothing to do with bogus tales of athletes going hungry.
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/1276...ccess-can-eat/
...It’s hard to say exactly what is going on here, so there’s no need to speculate. But according to the UConn Student-Athlete Handbook, unlimited access to dining halls is available for all students with a meal plan, even for those who live off-campus. ...
Shabazz Napier was on Sportscenter last night, and he used the term “blown out of proportion.” It was a fluff interview, so Linda Cohn did not pursue the “how was it blown out of proportion?” line of questioning. But it was clear to me that he was doing some serious backpedaling and that he regretted using the words he did. In its place was a statement that came out more like “I make a lot of money for them, they should give some of it to me”. OK, that’s a different argument.
There are some important issues here, and the debate is not well served by the media uncritically accepting every statement made as accurate, literally, or for what it implies.
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Originally posted by CLS View PostI think Lynah Fan’s got it right.
I haven’t checked out that particular source, nor do I know whether or not he had a meal plan. And I don’t even know that he lives off-campus. But if that source is correct, even if he lived off campus, it doesn’t mean that he didn’t have access to dining halls. Perhaps his workout demands didn’t permit him to get to the dining halls during open hours. Perhaps his scholarship covered only tuition. But I think that there’s ample cause (other than knee-jerk animosity toward college scholarship athletes) to doubt the veracity of the statement, or at least the implication that he went to bed “starving” often.
Shabazz Napier was on Sportscenter last night, and he used the term “blown out of proportion.” It was a fluff interview, so Linda Cohn did not pursue the “how was it blown out of proportion?” line of questioning. But it was clear to me that he was doing some serious backpedaling and that he regretted using the words he did. In its place was a statement that came out more like “I make a lot of money for them, they should give some of it to me”. OK, that’s a different argument.
There are some important issues here, and the debate is not well served by the media uncritically accepting every statement made as accurate, literally, or for what it implies.BS UML '04, PhD UConn '09
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View PostUpperclassmen that live off campus get a stipend. They do not get a meal card per NCAA regulations (this would be an extra benefit). The player in this case is an upperclassmen. Assuming that UCONN follows the NCAA regulations (admittedly a big assumption) then the player would not have a meal card. Of course, I have no direct evidence, but that's why I qualified my statement by using "likely."BS UML '04, PhD UConn '09
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