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Originally posted by Priceless View PostI guess all the slaveholders were Jewish or Muslins or something...
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/...fo/amabrel.htm
Most students probably assume that the antislavery crusade that culminated in the Civil War was largely an outgrowth of Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed, “All men are created equal.” The cause of immediate emancipation, as the abolitionists came to define it, had a different germ of inspiration from the rise of a fervent religious reawakening just as the new Republic was being created. That impulse sprang from two main sources: the theology and practice of Quakerism and the emergence of an aggressive, interdenominational evangelicalism.
Oh and the National Humanities Center is one of the world's top humanities based institutions and has no religious affiliation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Humanities_Center
Its the same in many critical movements that have formed modern compassionate society...Jesus got us here.Go Gophers!
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostIts the same in many critical movements that have formed modern compassionate society...Jesus got us here.
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Defenders of slavery noted that in the Bible, Abraham had slaves. They point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never spoke out against it.Defenders of slavery argued that the institution was divine, and that it brought Christianity to the heathen from across the ocean. Slavery was, according to this argument, a good thing for the enslaved. John C. Calhoun said, "Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually."JAMES THORNWELL, a minister, wrote in 1860, "The parties in this conflict are not merely Abolitionists and slaveholders, they are Atheists, Socialists, Communists, Red Republicans, Jacobins on the one side and the friends of order and regulated freedom on the other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Hall_AssociationLast edited by Priceless; 04-10-2014, 08:23 AM.
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostIt just took almost two Millennia...And I thought Moses wandered through the desert with the Jews for a long time. I'm sure if I had time to look it up I could find John Calhoun or other champions of the "states rights" movement citing the Bible to justify the practice of slavery. But of course, the "War of Northern Aggression" was not fought over the issue of slavery, right?
I think it was James Michener who wrote that if Moses had walked a mile a day in the right direction for 40 years he would have ended up in England.
The O'Hara's of Gone With the Wind fame were Catholic.
There was slavery in the Bible. As was incest, sodomy, and adultery. There was also admonishment, smiting and forgiveness. And one can never forget the history.
Slavery was not the proximate cause of the Civil War, but it became the Northern "cause" around the war's third year.CCT '77 & '78
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From the Wikipedia article on slavery and Christianity
Christian views on slavery are varied both regionally and historically. Slavery has been an integral part of Christianity for much of its history, spanning well over eighteen centuries. In the early years of Christianity, slavery was a normal feature of the economy and society in the Roman Empire, and well into the Middle Ages and beyond.[1] Most Christian figures in that early period, such as Saint Augustine, supported continuing slavery whereas several figures such as Saint Patrick were opposed. Both the Old Testament and New Testament sanction and endorse slavery which presents a difficult challenge for Christians advocating against slavery. About eighteen centuries after the birth of Christianity, as the abolition movement took shape across the globe, groups who advocated slavery's abolition struggled to use Christian teachings in support of their positions, instead turning to the vague concept of the 'spirit of Christianity' and textual argumentation.[2]
The issue of Christianity and slavery is one that has seen intense conflict. Passages in the Bible have historically been used by both pro-slavery advocates and slavery abolitionists to support their respective views.
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Originally posted by joecct View PostSome thoughts
I think it was James Michener who wrote that if Moses had walked a mile a day in the right direction for 40 years he would have ended up in England.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostThen he should stick to writing since he can't do math. Cairo to London = 2200 miles. 40*365 = 14,600 miles, more than half the world's circumference, so he could have gotten to literally any point on earth.Last edited by Priceless; 04-10-2014, 09:13 AM.
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostHe should have had God part the Atlantic Ocean and walked to Boca.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Slavery isn't, nor has been, an "integral" part of Christianity. Yes, it has existed through time and in societies that were significantly Christian. But, it's existence doesn't have any specific tie to Christianity, but was rather part of cultures at through time, whether Christian or not. And yes, the Bible has been used to justify it by some, as the Bible has been misused in many other ways to justify all sorts of things.Originally posted by PricelessGood to see you're so reasonable.Originally posted by ScoobyDooVery well, said.Originally posted by RoverA fair assessment Bob.
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Originally posted by Bob Gray View PostSlavery isn't, nor has been, an "integral" part of Christianity. Yes, it has existed through time and in societies that were significantly Christian. But, it's existence doesn't have any specific tie to Christianity, but was rather part of cultures at through time, whether Christian or not. And yes, the Bible has been used to justify it by some, as the Bible has been misused in many other ways to justify all sorts of things.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by Priceless View PostIt just took almost two Millennia...And I thought Moses wandered through the desert with the Jews for a long time. I'm sure if I had time to look it up I could find John Calhoun or other champions of the "states rights" movement citing the Bible to justify the practice of slavery. But of course, the "War of Northern Aggression" was not fought over the issue of slavery, right?
Also, slavery was around well before Jesus walked the earth and existed in many places where the Bible never reached.
Additionally, every type of ideal in the history of the planet has been misused. Do you think patriotism has always been used justly? I think not. Does that mean 'pride in one's country' is to blame for bad wars? I think not.
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Although its been misused by many for their own ends, Christianity is not to blame for slavery and yet was crucial in its abolition. Its really not any more complicated than that.Go Gophers!
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No! Old Pio missed this..
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...IVK/story.htmlCCT '77 & '78
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”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
- Benjamin Franklin
Banned from the St. Lawrence University Facebook page - March 2016 (But I got better).
I want to live forever. So far, so good.
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Originally posted by 5mn_Major View PostAlthough its been misused by many for their own ends, Christianity is not to blame for slavery and yet was crucial in its abolition. Its really not any more complicated than that.
You want to whitewash away the warts to further your agenda, pure and simple.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostYeah, yeah - we know, Mr. Scotsman. All the good things in society are because of Christianity, and all the bad things are just culture.Originally posted by PricelessGood to see you're so reasonable.Originally posted by ScoobyDooVery well, said.Originally posted by RoverA fair assessment Bob.
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