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  • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    What I was suggesting was to have no formal international entity at all, but an informal conspiracy among the major players to each police their own sector and not object when the others do the same.
    In other words, you'd resurrect the Monroe Doctrine and let other major powers each do the same on their own continents, eh?
    Last edited by FreshFish; 09-11-2014, 10:40 AM.
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      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
      In other words, you'd resurrect the Monroe Doctrine and let other major powers each to the same on their own continents, eh?
      Beats the Carter Doctrine, anyway.

      If we're going to exploit people and steal their oil, for god's sake let's make those people Canadian. It's closer, the women are prettier, they already speak English and they've got hockey.
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      • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

        Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
        what part of my use of the word "pretext" did you not understand??
        What part of Bush lied did you not understand?

        Going to war in Syria is such a grand idea. Maliki was awful, Syria is worse.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isi...-enemy-n201136
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        • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
          what part of my use of the word "pretext" did you not understand??
          Probably because every other word in that post invalidated its usage. Truth and transparency should matter - even here. But you've got their shtick down pat, I'll give you that.
          Last edited by Slap Shot; 09-11-2014, 02:51 PM.

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            Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
            Probably because every other word in that post invalidated its usage. Truth and transparency should matter - even here.
            You are not making any sense. I said that the "pretext" for the invasion was a failure to abide by 2 UN resolutions, and that Saddam could have invalidated that pretext by allowing the weapons inspectors access. Those are both true statements.

            If you are saying that the BBC story I linked to did not contain true statements, then take that up with the BBC, not me. Most people seem to think that BBC news is pretty well sourced though.
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            • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              What part of Bush lied did you not understand?
              Where is your evidence that Bush knew that Saddam did not have WMDs yet knowingly claimed otherwise?

              Perhaps you are just too young to remember Secretary of State Colin Powell's slide show at the UN??

              The preponderence of the evidence (that received something like a 73 - 27 vote in the Senate, by the way, so does that make those 73 Senators all "liars" too??) is that Bush believed something that turned out to be incorrect. I'm not going to defend the way they handled the occupation; I merely am not going to agree that there was a deliberate act of deception.


              Let's not even get into "if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan"
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              • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                Where is your evidence that Bush knew that Saddam did not have WMDs yet knowingly claimed otherwise?

                Perhaps you are just too young to remember Secretary of State Colin Powell's slide show at the UN??

                The preponderence of the evidence (that received something like a 73 - 27 vote in the Senate, by the way, so does that make those 73 Senators all "liars" too??) is that Bush believed something that turned out to be incorrect. I'm not going to defend the way they handled the occupation; I merely am not going to agree that there was a deliberate act of deception.


                Let's not even get into "if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan"
                Colin Powell has all but retracted that. There are numerous books and documentaries that show evidence that that slideshow was BS and everyone knew it was BS when it happened. But, you go ahead and believe Fix News.
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                  You're really going to claim the world (or to be more precise anyone that ceded opposition) was sold on the invasion by only citing Saddam giving the UN the finger? Operation Iraqi Freedom according to Junior and Blair, the was a mission, "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people".

                  And Scooby is correct that evidence is out there the selling of it was a dog and pony show with gobs of fake intel.

                  Again honesty and transparency matter.

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                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    Colin Powell has all but retracted that. There are numerous books and documentaries that show evidence that that slideshow was BS and everyone knew it was BS when it happened. But, you go ahead and believe Fix News.
                    DOS and the IC knew it was BS, but they also knew the White House only wanted "evidence" with one answer. So they cherry-picked and sent it up the chain to the Bush politicals, and they said nothing when ginned-up garbage from Iraqi ex-pat fortune hunters with an eye to the killing they'd make after the US invasion was presented as "chilling inside testimony." The members of the Intel committees probably knew it was BS but the GOP members wanted the war and the Dem members were terrified of being "soft on terrorism." The Brits knew it was pure BS and I still don't know why Tony went along for the ride. PNAC and the oil companies had the war drawn up by 1995 and were just waiting for incumbency in the White House and a pretext. SCOTUS gave them one and OBL gave them the other.

                    Other than a handful of intel analysts who spoke truth to power and Shinseki who told Rummy to his face that he was lying, and a handful of "crazy, far left, surrender monkeys!!!11!" who had it all pegged right from the get-go, nobody came out of that disaster looking good, but the real culprits, in order of guilt, were the Neocon idiots with their 11th grade understanding of geopolitics, the Rovian politicos who were willing to kill a few thousand servicemen and waste a few trillion dollars for some electioneering, and the whole John Birch edifice of the American right for not only allowing it to happen but cheering it on like a vapid SEC football crowd.

                    A few on the right have actually managed to learn something and at least have distanced themselves from that dumpster fire, but all the Neocons and most of the Noise Machine is still waist deep in their own filth and claiming it's rosewater. They are, literally, never going to learn. The best we can do is keep sharp objects away from them until they pass away in the nursing home.
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                    • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                      And for the new war that started last night officially there are many saying that the only reason we're going all in on ISIS(L) is because of the beheadings of our journalists.

                      That's not a reason to go to war. I hope the **** they come up with something better.
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                      • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                        YAHOO! coerced? ?
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                        • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          DOS and the IC knew it was BS, but they also knew the White House only wanted "evidence" with one answer. So they cherry-picked and sent it up the chain to the Bush politicals, and they said nothing when ginned-up garbage from Iraqi ex-pat fortune hunters with an eye to the killing they'd make after the US invasion was presented as "chilling inside testimony." The members of the Intel committees probably knew it was BS but the GOP members wanted the war and the Dem members were terrified of being "soft on terrorism." The Brits knew it was pure BS and I still don't know why Tony went along for the ride. PNAC and the oil companies had the war drawn up by 1995 and were just waiting for incumbency in the White House and a pretext. SCOTUS gave them one and OBL gave them the other.

                          Other than a handful of intel analysts who spoke truth to power and Shinseki who told Rummy to his face that he was lying, and a handful of "crazy, far left, surrender monkeys!!!11!" who had it all pegged right from the get-go, nobody came out of that disaster looking good, but the real culprits, in order of guilt, were the Neocon idiots with their 11th grade understanding of geopolitics, the Rovian politicos who were willing to kill a few thousand servicemen and waste a few trillion dollars for some electioneering, and the whole John Birch edifice of the American right for not only allowing it to happen but cheering it on like a vapid SEC football crowd.

                          A few on the right have actually managed to learn something and at least have distanced themselves from that dumpster fire, but all the Neocons and most of the Noise Machine is still waist deep in their own filth and claiming it's rosewater. They are, literally, never going to learn. The best we can do is keep sharp objects away from them until they pass away in the nursing home.
                          Too bad your hero Shinseki didn't turn out to be a SecVA worthy of the name. Just curious, are you into bonus money yet for "Neocon?" Seems like you should be. You may have noticed, there are other problems in that part of the world these days. And America's First Empty Suit, having been president now for six years, is responsible for our response. I'm sure, in your consummate smugness, you're frequently repeated the old saw about the military "fighting the last war." Well, why don't you stop doing what I'm pretty confident you've accused others of doing?

                          Bonus "Hysteria Points" for mentioning the JBS.

                          Maybe you and Scooby should consider getting a room.
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                          • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            And for the new war that started last night officially there are many saying that the only reason we're going all in on ISIS(L) is because of the beheadings of our journalists.

                            That's not a reason to go to war. I hope the **** they come up with something better.
                            Yeah, like there's anything that would get your stamp of approval.
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                            • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              Beats the Carter Doctrine, anyway.

                              If we're going to exploit people and steal their oil, for god's sake let's make those people Canadian. It's closer, the women are prettier, they already speak English and they've got hockey.
                              The alternative to "stealing other people's oil" might be for America to regain energy independence. But you guys are opposed to that, too. Go figure.
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                              • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                                Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                                Yeah, like there's anything that would get your stamp of approval.
                                For war against 12th century morons? No, not likely.
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                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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