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  • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

    Some things never change, I guess.... From before many of y'all were born:

    World War II came about without provocation. It came because nations were weak, not strong, in the face of aggression. Those same lessons of the past surely apply today. Firmness based on a strong defense capability is not provocative. But weakness can be provocative simply because it is tempting to a nation whose imperialist ambitions are virtually unlimited.

    We find ourselves increasingly in a position of dangerous isolation. Our allies are losing confidence in us, and our adversaries no longer respect us.
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    • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
      Some things never change, I guess.... From before many of y'all were born:
      Sorry, but I find it such garbage to compare then to now.
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        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Sorry, but I find it such garbage to compare then to now.
        Oh, I'll compare it alright.

        Please keep buying that song and dance, though. I am thinking of putting in a new pool. WONTSOMEONETHINKOFMYNEWPOOL!!!!!11!!
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        • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
          Some things never change, I guess.... From before many of y'all were born:
          In what ways has this nation shown signs of becoming isolationists? Republican hawks want boots on the ground everywhere in the world until the president also wants that, and both parties want to show the world how the American way is best.
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          • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Oh, I'll compare it alright.

            Please keep buying that song and dance, though. I am thinking of putting in a new pool. WONTSOMEONETHINKOFMYNEWPOOL!!!!!11!!
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              The essence is strong in this one!!
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              • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                Some things never change, I guess.... From before many of y'all were born:
                You have to be a bit.

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                • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                  Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                  In what ways has this nation shown signs of becoming isolationists? Republican hawks want boots on the ground everywhere in the world until the president also wants that, and both parties want to show the world how the American way is best.
                  There are more voices of isolation out there than you would have found, say, 20 or 30 years ago. And my general impression of public polling is that the public is a lot more gun shy about at least certain military foreign entanglements than in the past. Certainly there are strong forces at work that tend toward being interventionist, but I think there's more push back against that then there used to be.
                  Originally posted by Priceless
                  Good to see you're so reasonable.
                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                  Very well, said.
                  Originally posted by Rover
                  A fair assessment Bob.

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                  • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                    Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                    There are more voices of isolation out there than you would have found, say, 20 or 30 years ago. And my general impression of public polling is that the public is a lot more gun shy about at least certain military foreign entanglements than in the past. Certainly there are strong forces at work that tend toward being interventionist, but I think there's more push back against that then there used to be.

                    I noticed you left out the reason for that, which the collossal f-up that was the Iraq War....
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                    • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                      Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
                      There are more voices of isolation out there than you would have found, say, 20 or 30 years ago. And my general impression of public polling is that the public is a lot more gun shy about at least certain military foreign entanglements than in the past. Certainly there are strong forces at work that tend toward being interventionist, but I think there's more push back against that then there used to be.
                      The goal posts for "isolationism" have also moved. We have 270,000 military stationed in 150 countries. We have a hot war in Afghanistan and are bombing the bejesus out of Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia. "Isolationism" used to mean pull back to the US border and wait. Today it's thrown around whenever somebody suggests we not start yet another war.
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                      • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        The goal posts for "isolationism" have also moved. We have 270,000 military stationed in 150 countries. We have a hot war in Afghanistan and are bombing the bejesus out of Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia. "Isolationism" used to mean pull back to the US border and wait. Today it's thrown around whenever somebody suggests we not start yet another war.
                        Yeah, this is more in line with what I was thinking. It's nuts to say we're isolationist these days. We could use more of it, truthfully. At the very least, a scale down of our foreign bases, things that could be consolidated, like Ramstein. Unless the Germans wanted to pay us to keep it there because there's no reason we can't do pare down those bases, leaving only naval bases and aircraft carriers to take care of our peacetime adventurism for us.
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                        • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                          More "tunnel vision", it sounds like.

                          How many times do we hear that we live in an interconnected, interdependent world?

                          According to the US government International Trade Administration:

                          The percentage of GDP represented by exports is the highest in nearly a century and is indicative of how important exports will be in any effort to encourage economic growth and the creation of new jobs, according to new research recently published by the Department of Commerce. In 2008, the United States exported nearly $1.7 trillion in goods and services. These exports supported more than 10 million full- and part-time jobs and accounted for 12.7 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).
                          Sounds like, when looked at from a "big picture" perspective using a dispassionate cost-benefit analysis, our overseas commitments are probably a good investment and might even be viewed as a bargain in some quarters.

                          That's a big reason why some people are so critical of the current administration: rather than address nascent problems as they arise, the neglect and hubris allowed them to fester and become far more serious than they ever needed to be.
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                          • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            I noticed you left out the reason for that, which the collossal f-up that was the Iraq War....
                            Ya know, you are sure hard to please. You're unhappy even when we largely agree on an issue!
                            Originally posted by Priceless
                            Good to see you're so reasonable.
                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
                            Very well, said.
                            Originally posted by Rover
                            A fair assessment Bob.

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                            • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                              That's a big reason why some people are so argle bargle

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                              How to cloak your attack as a survey of broader opinion.
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                              • Re: The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

                                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                                More "tunnel vision", it sounds like.

                                How many times do we hear that we live in an interconnected, interdependent world?

                                According to the US government International Trade Administration:



                                Sounds like, when looked at from a "big picture" perspective using a dispassionate cost-benefit analysis, our overseas commitments are probably a good investment and might even be viewed as a bargain in some quarters.

                                That's a big reason why some people are so critical of the current administration: rather than address nascent problems as they arise, the neglect and hubris allowed them to fester and become far more serious than they ever needed to be.
                                Free trade is mutually beneficial, and that's true to all first world - and many third world - nations. If it weren't, the trade would never occur in the first place. We, the USA, have taken on a disproportionately large chunk of maintaining free trade. The US Navy can patrol the waterways to abate piracy on the open waters. What good does an Air Force or Army base within the middle of the plains of Germany do to enforce free trade? We can trim the military budget, push the security of European land onto Europe, while using our navy to keep safe those waterways traveled by American merchants.
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                                "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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