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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostI read a similar story in the Minneapolis paper, but I thought that story reported that the version inscribed on the Lincoln Memorial was actually the last version of the speech written, written some time in March of 1864, some four months after it was actually delivered, which I found strange, and was something I did not know.
Many people here in southern Wisconsin have visited the Lincoln presidential library in Springfield and told me what a fascinating experience it is.Last edited by burd; 11-20-2013, 11:57 AM.
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Originally posted by SJHovey View PostI read a similar story in the Minneapolis paper, but I thought that story reported that the version inscribed on the Lincoln Memorial was actually the last version of the speech written, written some time in March of 1864, some four months after it was actually delivered, which I found strange, and was something I did not know.
My memory could be hazy, but as I recall there are only 5 known copies in Lincoln's handwriting (2 at Library of Congress, 1 in Lincoln Room of White House, and 1 at a museum in Illinois, plus the one at Cornell, I think). They were all written by Lincoln after the fact - the notes/text he spoke from at Gettysburg were not preserved, so the copies are accurate only insofar as Lincoln himself recalled what he said.
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Originally posted by burd View PostInteresting piece in the Wisconsin State Journal today about the many written drafts of the speech and the young AP reporter who sent one of those drafts out on the wire immediately afterward--the draft quoted below and inscribed on the Lincoln Memorial.
I'm embarrassed to say I'm too much of an idiot to provide the link.
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Originally posted by Old Pio View PostSimilarly, there was a lot of talk in the dying days of the war in Europe, die hard Nazis suggesting an "Alpine redoubt" to continue the fighting. But Adolph refused to leave Berlin.
Although the division of Europe between the communists and the west might not have happened because we'd have had a lot more leverage over Stalin.
Discuss.
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Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View PostHad Lincoln not been assassinated, I believe the South would've repaired itself much faster than the decades that it took, and hard feelings towards the North wouldn't have taken two or three generations to soften. After he was killed, the so-called "Radical Republicans" in Congress suddenly had free reign over the reconstruction era for almost a decade, and exercised their veto-override power constantly in order to punish the South.
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Originally posted by Bob Gray View PostAgreed that there was still a lot to play out over the next couple of years, though the Union was at a definite advantage from here on out. Lee knew time was running out on the possibility of forcing peace and he had to gamble on pushing into the north. Of course whether Gettysburg was the right place to fight and how he went about things are fun topics for endless discussion.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostThis speech marked the start of the assimilation of the USA into the New World Order, where states were forced into a nation against their will. It was the complete opposite of the foundation of this country, and the beginning of the totalitarian state we have today.
Other than that, I can't figure which part of the text is about the New Wold Order, as opposed to honoring the dead and reminding people that there's more to be done.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostThis speech marked the start of the assimilation of the USA into the New World Order, where states were forced into a nation against their will. It was the complete opposite of the foundation of this country, and the beginning of the totalitarian state we have today.
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This speech marked the start of the assimilation of the USA into the New World Order, where states were forced into a nation against their will. It was the complete opposite of the foundation of this country, and the beginning of the totalitarian state we have today.
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostAlthough the Union won the Battle of Gettysburg, the war was not going at all well at that time and it was still 2 years from "over." There's a reason it was the Gettysburg Address and not the Spartanburg Address.
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Originally posted by alfablue View PostEven not thinking of a lasting battle, how the country emerges from a war can effect the future greatly, which I would think, was very much in the mind of Lincoln at the time. He was not big on reprisals for starting the war, but more on rebuilding.
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Although the Union won the Battle of Gettysburg, the war was not going at all well at that time and it was still 2 years from "over." There's a reason it was the Gettysburg Address and not the Spartanburg Address.
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Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View PostRumor has long had it that a significant number of the Army of Northern Virginia were going to head to the mountains of West Virginia/West-ern Virginia/North Carolina and continue to wage the Civil War for another 10+ years, vigilante/Vietnam-style.
Since it never happened as per the history books, there is obviously a lot of doubt to this story.
The whole thing could have blown up in the future into a new fighting war. Even how it played out, there is still lingering tension- although that seems to be diminishing faster since the 100 year mark.
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