BCS 2013-14: This space for rent

[RaceBoarder]

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Nothing about Northwestern trying to unionize their football program?

I'm still trying to grasp what the point of this really is... What exactly is the end game? I mean, it seems like it would open up "Student" Athletes to more problems than it's worth...

[bigblue_dl]

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I'm still trying to grasp what the point of this really is... What exactly is the end game? I mean, it seems like it would open up "Student" Athletes to more problems than it's worth...

Unions are always more hassle than they're worth.

[mookie1995]

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***!!

nov 2009 -- then wait until now to kick him off the team

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ual-misconduct

[bigblue_dl]

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***!!

nov 2009 -- then wait until now to kick him off the team

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ual-misconduct

I'd expect nothing less from the ugly helmets.

[Spartanforlife4]

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This might be intersting. But not by much.

I mean, I guess it's not that intriguing if you don't think a kicker committing sexual assault, at worst rape, with the possibility of the star lineman threatening the girl, then allowing them to play for four years until their eligibility is up before expelling one is an interesting tale. A muscle pull and "family matters" as Hoke called it, is not getting expelled for sexual misconduct.

[MavHockey14]

Unions are always more hassle than they're worth.

Bingo.

I'm not entirely sure what the intent of Colter and his crew really is.

Interesting note I saw that USC QB Max Wittek is transferring and eligible to play immediately.. I'm sure Gary Anderson has already called him.

[XYZ]

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Interesting note I saw that USC QB Max Wittek is transferring and eligible to play immediately.. I'm sure Gary Anderson has already called him.

With a pre-emptive apology for any ignorance on this matter, is there some connection between Wittek and Anderson?

[alfablue]

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I mean, I guess it's not that intriguing if you don't think a kicker committing sexual assault, at worst rape, with the possibility of the star lineman threatening the girl, then allowing them to play for four years until their eligibility is up before expelling one is an interesting tale. A muscle pull and "family matters" as Hoke called it, is not getting expelled for sexual misconduct.

Like I said, not by much.

I'll let the court deal with the issue.

[alfablue]

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***!!

nov 2009 -- then wait until now to kick him off the team

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ual-misconduct

Just out of curiosity, what do you make of the part that the police investigated, and then didn't do anything? Back in 2009?

To me, that's interesting.

Ususally, the accused is given the benefit of the doubt until the investigation comes in- then changes happen. In this case, nothing came in, so he was kept on the team. Interesting.

Although, had this happened in an SEC school- say Auburn, USC would be looking at a few more lost scholarships.

[Jimjamesak]

Unions are always more hassle than they're worth.

As somebody who is a union member, I completely disagree.

[alfablue]

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I mean, I guess it's not that intriguing if you don't think a kicker committing sexual assault, at worst rape, with the possibility of the star lineman threatening the girl, then allowing them to play for four years until their eligibility is up before expelling one is an interesting tale. A muscle pull and "family matters" as Hoke called it, is not getting expelled for sexual misconduct.

Not sure how accurate this is, as I'm too lazy to actually do my own research:

Incident happened in 2009. Apparently, the victim does not press charges, nor does the UM police or AA police press charges based on the evidence. (this was RR's ending era). The accusation is sexual assult by one player followed by intimidation by another. Even with all of that, UM is unable to take independant action based on the evidence.

2011, new rules are drafted so that the school can take action on their own.

2013- the new rules go into effect, case is re-opened, and now dicipline to original player is happening. Not heard about second player. Still, no criminal charges are being brought up.

The accused second player is Lewan (sp?) who has been accused of being a thug other times. Based on the number of reports, where they are coming from, etc- MY opinion is that he probably did intimidate the alleged victim.

Which brings up a different thread of "stars" and how they get away with being the worst team players of all time based on their raw talent. I hate that.

Anyway, I'm not sure where this is going to go- Lewan has no more eligibilty, and does not seem like the kind of person who gives a darn about school, so he's gone regardless. The other accused- Gibbons- hopefully we don't find out that there's been some kind of cover up.

STILL....

IMHO, the forming of a players union trumps that in terms of importance. By a big margin. The possible impact to college sports in general is much bigger than the other news.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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As somebody who is a union member, I completely disagree.

It certainly can be experienced both ways. I've certainly seen some disastrous results of union activity. Of course, I've also seen the great results of union activity. But, it's a mixed bag, and not for the weak.

I think it will be a difficult journey for those trying to unionize. It will be a huge hurdle to clear (insurmountable?) to be recognized as employees (although, a DU football player (that should tell you how old the case was) was once recognized by the CO Supreme Court has an employee for worker's comp. purposes). IF that happens, then the schools will likely try to expand the class of employees (all student-athletes? all students that do extra-curricular activities?). IF it winds up being just the specific sports, then keep in mind that only private universities' sports programs could unionize (barring change to precedent regarding public schools). Realistically, if all goes unrealistically good (read: all the previous steps happen), we're probably looking at close to a decade for this to take place. By then, all the power schools/conferences may have already split.

[alfablue]

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It certainly can be experienced both ways. I've certainly seen some disastrous results of union activity. Of course, I've also seen the great results of union activity. But, it's a mixed bag, and not for the weak.

I think it will be a difficult journey for those trying to unionize. It will be a huge hurdle to clear (insurmountable?) to be recognized as employees (although, a DU football player (that should tell you how old the case was) was once recognized by the CO Supreme Court has an employee for worker's comp. purposes). IF that happens, then the schools will likely try to expand the class of employees (all student-athletes? all students that do extra-curricular activities?). IF it winds up being just the specific sports, then keep in mind that only private universities' sports programs could unionize (barring change to precedent regarding public schools). Realistically, if all goes unrealistically good (read: all the previous steps happen), we're probably looking at close to a decade for this to take place. By then, all the power schools/conferences may have already split.

The employee thing is interesting.

If you were a student that did work for the school that earned the school money so that they would pay you to go to that school- how are you not an employee? I had friends in undergrad who did part time work for the school- they got paid, and were employees. As a grad student, I taught- so I was doing work to bring students in, and I was an employee.

Basically, these players efforts brings millions of dollars to many schools, benefitting coaches and organziers and many construction workers. They get healthcare, and some of the best medicine availabe. Many get room and board. And earning a free education. Seems like they are employees. Just because they are not paid in cash, but in other benefits- why would they not be employees?

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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The employee thing is interesting.

If you were a student that did work for the school that earned the school money so that they would pay you to go to that school- how are you not an employee? I had friends in undergrad who did part time work for the school- they got paid, and were employees. As a grad student, I taught- so I was doing work to bring students in, and I was an employee.

Basically, these players efforts brings millions of dollars to many schools, benefitting coaches and organziers and many construction workers. They get healthcare, and some of the best medicine availabe. Many get room and board. And earning a free education. Seems like they are employees. Just because they are not paid in cash, but in other benefits- why would they not be employees?

Just because you got paid by the university does not necessarily make you an employee...at least according to the NLRB. If you were a public school grad student, then your state may have had laws allowing you to unionize. However, today, private university grad students that get paid, are almost certainly not employees under the NLRA after the Brown University decision. Of course, that could very well change by the time (or if) this case goes to court.

It's an interesting area of the law. I'm with you...given the revenues that these athletes bring to the schools, and given that what they bring for the school is so disconnected from what the school brings for them (educationally), I don't see an issue with allowing players to form unions.

[Jimjamesak]

It certainly can be experienced both ways. I've certainly seen some disastrous results of union activity. Of course, I've also seen the great results of union activity. But, it's a mixed bag, and not for the weak.

I think it will be a difficult journey for those trying to unionize. It will be a huge hurdle to clear (insurmountable?) to be recognized as employees (although, a DU football player (that should tell you how old the case was) was once recognized by the CO Supreme Court has an employee for worker's comp. purposes). IF that happens, then the schools will likely try to expand the class of employees (all student-athletes? all students that do extra-curricular activities?). IF it winds up being just the specific sports, then keep in mind that only private universities' sports programs could unionize (barring change to precedent regarding public schools). Realistically, if all goes unrealistically good (read: all the previous steps happen), we're probably looking at close to a decade for this to take place. By then, all the power schools/conferences may have already split.

This is a good summary. There isn't much difference between an NFL player (which is unionized) and a college football player. The biggest difference being that one is compensated more than the other.