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  • #61
    Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    Unless all the conspirers were silenced soon after. Not that I agree with that.
    I am not a believer in the conspiracy theories. I think LHO did it, did it on his own, and that's the end. I am also willing to admit I'm wrong if shown credible evidence to support it. I just haven't seen it as of yet.

    The only thing I'll say about the improbability of a conspiracy remaining secret this long is where the heck is Jimmy Hoffa's body. Somebody knows something. Probably more than one person. Yet we've got nothin'.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    • #62
      Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

      For those too young to remember -- as it happened 50 years later. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbsnewsc...assassination/
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      • #63
        Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
        I am not a believer in the conspiracy theories. I think LHO did it, did it on his own, and that's the end. I am also willing to admit I'm wrong if shown credible evidence to support it. I just haven't seen it as of yet.

        The only thing I'll say about the improbability of a conspiracy remaining secret this long is where the heck is Jimmy Hoffa's body. Somebody knows something. Probably more than one person. Yet we've got nothin'.
        True. Except the number of people involved in whacking Hoffa is microscopic compared to the people presumably involved in one of the many elaborate, never proven, conflicting JFK conspiracy scenarios. Plus, Hoffa was one of theirs. Gangland executions are rarely solved. We still don't know for certain who was involved in the St. Valentine's day massacre. Nobody ratted. The job in clipping Hoffa involved one "agency" with simple instructions; kidnap him, clip him, dump him. In the case of a president you've got numerous agencies with overlapping jurisdictions involved and a presidential inquiry into what happened. In Hoffa's case, nobody but his family gave a sh*t what happened to him. And don't forget all those folks Jim Marrs says were "murdered" because they had some peripheral "knowledge" of the event.
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        • #64
          Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

          Brit Hume had an interesting analysis last week.

          The nut begins around 1:45
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          • #65
            Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

            Originally posted by SteveP View Post
            Brit Hume had an interesting analysis last week.

            The nut begins around 1:45
            I had forgotten about Eddoes. He claimed, for some unfathomable reason, that Oswald's skull had been swapped out or something. Similar to that kerfuffle a few years back where some looney tune "reasearcher" discovered "evidence" that some president (was it Zachery Taylor?) had been "murdered." Somehow, permission was given to exhume the remains and. . .zero. Many of these "researchers" are on the trail of the holy grail. Finding Noah's Ark, etc. They see things nobody else can see, and hear things only their ears can detect.

            To illustrate the point: Bugliosi totals 44 groups claimed by conspiracists over the years to have been "responsible" for JFK's killing, 214 named "co-conspirators" and 82 "triggermen." I should have thought the passage of five decades would have helped us narrow down those lists just a bit.
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            • #66
              Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

              CBS given access to Dallas PD files on Ruby (not seen in 50 years). Although no conspiracist will be convinced, documents show officer most frequently smeared as the one "who let Ruby in," didn't.

              http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_1...arly-50-years/
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              • #67
                Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                Cal Thomas remembers.... http://townhall.com/columnists/calth...0141/page/full

                And hopefully this is not behind a pay wall: http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/2...iFI/story.html
                Last edited by joecct; 11-21-2013, 11:02 PM.
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                • #68
                  Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                  Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                  I am not a believer in the conspiracy theories. I think LHO did it, did it on his own, and that's the end. I am also willing to admit I'm wrong if shown credible evidence to support it. I just haven't seen it as of yet.

                  The only thing I'll say about the improbability of a conspiracy remaining secret this long is where the heck is Jimmy Hoffa's body. Somebody knows something. Probably more than one person. Yet we've got nothin'.
                  Even the book "Four Days" will tell you that Oswald wasn't even arrested for that crime, but rather for shooting an officer in a different part of the building.

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                  • #69
                    Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                    Even the book "Four Days" will tell you that Oswald wasn't even arrested for that crime, but rather for shooting an officer in a different part of the building.
                    "shooting an officer in a different part of the building?" What are you talking about? LHO was arrested in the Texas Theatre for killing Officer Tippet in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas after he had exited the SBD (the only employee who did so) returned to his rented room and picked up his pistol. There was no officer "shot in the building." Tippet was shot on the street. And even though some in the crowd outside the theatre believed LHO shot JFK, it took DPD a little longer to link Oswald to rifle used to kill the president, but he was charged with that crime on Friday also. Why is that significant?
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                    • #70
                      Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                      imho the only the statement that can be made without question is that LHO was the only shooter. Human emotion prevents us from reconciling the concept that one simple man could destroy the will of a nation all by himself and it makes sense that conspiracies would abound, but LHO shot alone. Anything beyond that I have no idea.

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                      • #71
                        Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                        imho the only the statement that can be made without question is that LHO was the only shooter. Human emotion prevents us from reconciling the concept that one simple man could destroy the will of a nation all by himself and it makes sense that conspiracies would abound, but LHO shot alone. Anything beyond that I have no idea.
                        If he had succeeded, who would have believed that John Hinckley killed Reagan to impress Jody Foster? Or if she had succeeded, that Squeaky Fromme killed Ford to impress Charlie Manson? Surely some folks would have instinctively concluded "there has to be more to it than that." And they would have been wrong.
                        Last edited by Old Pio; 11-22-2013, 12:45 AM.
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                        • #72
                          Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                          Does anyone else find it odd that this is the only way our political posters can commemorate the anniversary of one of the most shocking events in our nation's history?
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                          • #73
                            Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                            Watching CBS news on the net as it happened. Link ---- http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/jfk-assassination/

                            Yikes.
                            Last edited by joecct; 11-22-2013, 02:53 PM.
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                            1 granddaughter (EML 4/18)

                            ”Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
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                            • #74
                              Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                              Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
                              Does anyone else find it odd that this is the only way our political posters can commemorate the anniversary of one of the most shocking events in our nation's history?
                              What would you suggest in the alternative, Mary?

                              Meanwhile another "true believer," Marc Ambinder, no longer is.

                              http://theweek.com/article/index/253...ey-to-unbelief
                              Last edited by Old Pio; 11-22-2013, 04:06 PM.
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                              • #75
                                Re: 50 years later. And the only consensus is: ABO--anybody but Oswald

                                Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
                                What would you suggest in the alternative, Mary?
                                Well, Agnes, here are a few thoughts:

                                - 61% (even if that seems like a lot of people buying into a conspiracy of some sort) is hardly a consensus, so this thread was doomed to be hyperbolic bull**** right from the start. http://www.gallup.com/poll/165893/ma...onspiracy.aspx

                                - It'd be kind of weird if in 38 years we (well... those of us who will still be alive in 38 years) were remembering 9-11 by *****ing about truthers instead of sharing our experiences with one of our nation's most notable tragedies and talking about how it's changed the world around us.

                                - As for an alternative: Even if it came from someone who couldn't care less about a member of the Kennedy family, I think it would be far more interesting to hear what someone who was alive then has to say about how the world was changed following that day, or how it impacted the state of political discourse in a time that eventually found us entrenched in a myriad of major issues (Vietnam, civil rights, the Cold War, etc.).
                                If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

                                BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!


                                At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

                                Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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