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  • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

    Originally posted by MinnFan View Post
    The Senate Bill still leaves millions uninsured. Whats really interesting is how much cheaper it would be to just give those people insurance. I've heard estimates of approx $30B/yr. Over 10 years that makes is $300B versus well over $1T in the proposed bills.

    But when your aim is control instead of care I guess its going to cost a bit more.
    Aren't you one of those afeared of the Socialist movement to cover everyone?
    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    I don't care. The comedy of it all is priceless. The mere fact that insurance companies will continue to have all the power and continue to deny coverage to millions of Americans is priceless.
    I am seriously looking at other career choices. If they don't do something soon I may need to be medicated. If I hear one more time how the bill would screw us (when we have something firmly shoved far up our rear orrifice already and a good majority seem to be able to ignore it and even sit on their hands) I might puke.

    If I actually felt the GOP cared about this and wanted to solve it I would run in their direction but all they want to do is stymie everything. I have heard absolutely zero out of that camp except negative rhettoric. Absolutely no problem solving. The Dems are selling their souls. I need to move to somewhere that common sense is still a part of the national psyche. It obviously isn't here.

    (extremely bad day at work, not that you can tell)

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    • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

      Healthcare reform is dead. delete the thread. any chance of movement to fix anything just died. (if she won I might have had to wear a bag on my head. Instead I am going to go work at walmart because now the insurance companies are having the biggest party of their lives.)

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      • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

        Les

        I work for Uncle Sam and have a pretty good health plan (FEHBA). Lots of primary care choices, no referrals necessary, no probs with the ER, and with a drug and vision plan. If I switch plans (and there are a ton for federales), pre existing conditions are covered.

        Cost - $300 every 2 weeks for the family plan (me, Mrs. and 1 son) of which Uncle Sam picks up 2/3. When I retire in a few months, I pick up the entire cost.

        IF the idiots on the hill wanted to cover people properly, give everyone access to FEHBA.

        If you do move, you need to go to a good hockey state.
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        • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

          Originally posted by joecct View Post
          Les

          I work for Uncle Sam and have a pretty good health plan (FEHBA). Lots of primary care choices, no referrals necessary, no probs with the ER, and with a drug and vision plan. If I switch plans (and there are a ton for federales), pre existing conditions are covered.

          Cost - $300 every 2 weeks for the family plan (me, Mrs. and 1 son) of which Uncle Sam picks up 2/3. When I retire in a few months, I pick up the entire cost.

          IF the idiots on the hill wanted to cover people properly, give everyone access to FEHBA.

          If you do move, you need to go to a good hockey state.
          sure, let individual companies climb aboard.... but many of the people that this 'reform' was going to cover lack the 2/3rd payer.

          though maybe if enough companies drop blue cross and harvard/pilgram and permanante; FEHBA will get to negotiate better margins to pick up those po'folks...
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          • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

            Originally posted by joecct View Post
            Les

            I work for Uncle Sam and have a pretty good health plan (FEHBA). Lots of primary care choices, no referrals necessary, no probs with the ER, and with a drug and vision plan. If I switch plans (and there are a ton for federales), pre existing conditions are covered.

            Cost - $300 every 2 weeks for the family plan (me, Mrs. and 1 son) of which Uncle Sam picks up 2/3. When I retire in a few months, I pick up the entire cost.

            IF the idiots on the hill wanted to cover people properly, give everyone access to FEHBA.


            If you do move, you need to go to a good hockey state.
            I would give my left nut (well, if I had one) to make it so everyone had that option.

            Don't talk to anyone who has a better scenario anywhere. Anyone in primary care (short of the concierge medicine) will sing the same tale of woe.

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            • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

              Originally posted by joecct View Post
              Les

              I work for Uncle Sam and have a pretty good health plan (FEHBA). Lots of primary care choices, no referrals necessary, no probs with the ER, and with a drug and vision plan. If I switch plans (and there are a ton for federales), pre existing conditions are covered.

              Cost - $300 every 2 weeks for the family plan (me, Mrs. and 1 son) of which Uncle Sam picks up 2/3. When I retire in a few months, I pick up the entire cost.

              IF the idiots on the hill wanted to cover people properly, give everyone access to FEHBA.

              If you do move, you need to go to a good hockey state.
              It was when that plan fell flat (give everyone the same insurance as federal employees) that I got off the Health Care Reform bandwagon. Since they had no shot to get true UHC in and they were willing to sell the Public Option down the river faster than Ray Lewis during a murder trial this should have been the Dems wet dream! The citizens would have loved it and I doubt the GOP would have had any chance of blocking and the Blue Dogs would have fallen in line. I mean seriously this was a SLAM FRIGGIN DUNK so leave it to the Dems to go Norv Turner on the bit.

              Just backs up my theory that they never wanted to have any real reform anyways...they just wanted to look busy and then when it fails blame it on the GOP. Working out real well for them so far...
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              • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                Barney Frank declares Health Care Reform dead (but with a few more words):

                Originally posted by Barney Frank
                I have two reactions to the election in Massachusetts. One, I am disappointed. Two, I feel strongly that the Democratic majority in congress must respect the process and make no effort to bypass the electoral results. If Martha Coakley had won, I believe we could have worked out a reasonable compromise between the House and Senate health care bills. But since Scott Brown has won and the Republicans now have 41 votes in the senate, that approach is no longer appropriate. I am hopeful that some Republican senators will be willing to discuss a revised version of health care reform. Because I do not think that the country would be well served by the health care status quo. But our respect for democratic procedures must rule out any effort to pass a health care bill as if the Massachusetts election had not happened. Going forward, I hope there will be a serious effort to change the senate rule which means that 59 are not enough to pass major legislation, but those are the rules by which the health care bill was considered, and it would be wrong to change them in the middle of this process.
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                • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                  I gotta say it does seem weird that a 59/41 majority isnt enough to pass something in the Senate...
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                  • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    I gotta say it does seem weird that a 59/41 majority isnt enough to pass something in the Senate...
                    Only because it's tough for primary and secondary school teachers have a tough time explaining the nuances of democracy and republic to hyperactive kids, so they just say that we have a democracy and that majority rules. You hear that enough and you start to believe it, but 1) we don't, and 2) it doesn't.

                    Originally posted by walrus
                    You should know that Gridlock is the only thing that can save us from ourselves, that and term limits
                    Unfortunately, a purge of Republicans in 2008 followed by a purge of Democrats in 2010 is about as close as we'll get to term limits. I have hope that the 112th Congress and a President facing a tough re-election fight will get the message and feel pressure to actually get some stuff done. But maybe I'm just delusional...
                    Last edited by LynahFan; 01-20-2010, 04:51 AM.
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                    • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      I gotta say it does seem weird that a 59/41 majority isnt enough to pass something in the Senate...
                      The Dems are independent and have never toed the party line-(unlike the GOP who baa like sheep and follow the leader). I could never understand (and posted somewhere in here) why anyone would thing the Dems could act in concert. I would have liked mob hysteria to work and get something done.

                      The thing no one seems to remember is that every one in Washington is not there to represent for the good of the country but just their constituency.

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                      • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                        Which part of the link details as much?
                        I meant someone else's post a few days ago. It was referring to this study
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                        • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                          Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                          Unfortunately, a purge of Republicans in 2008 followed by a purge of Democrats in 2010 is about as close as we'll get to term limits. I have hope that the 112th Congress and a President facing a tough re-election fight will get the message and feel pressure to actually get some stuff done. But maybe I'm just delusional...
                          Depends on what you mean by done. Bush II got a few things done while he was in office and just about every single thing he did get done has caused disaster.

                          NCLB hasn't done what it was supposed to do.
                          The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have not come close to yielding the results that most Americans would want or expect, and have been a huge drain on the treasury.
                          The prescription drug benefit has given coverage to seniors but ultimately has only been a redistribution of wealth program.
                          The Tax Cuts ultimately provided an economy that has ended this decade with a 0% net gain in average wealth across the country according to numerous reports.

                          So, what do you want done? Seems if they do nothing for 7 years we'd all end up further ahead than the last 9.
                          **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                          Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                          • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                            Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                            Barney Frank declares Health Care Reform dead (but with a few more words):
                            Barney can probably add Obama's financial services "reform" to the pyre too.
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                            • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                              Barney Frank is coming off (insert joke here) as a whiner. If they still believe in this, they should get it done. How hard is it to find out what Collins or Snowe wants (tax breaks for cows, posthumous pardon for Walshy's cheating, etc ) and act accordingly? Or, go the reconciliation route - something Reid should never have taken off the table.

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                              • Re: Health Care Reform - 1/6 of the Economy Up for Grabs

                                Originally posted by Rover View Post
                                Up to Obama to figure out the plan now and not delegate it to Congress. If he can't do that, nobody to blame but themselves.
                                He should have been doing this all along. You know that funny thing the President is suppose to do....lead!
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