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  • #856
    Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    Regarding California's water "problems," one fix that probably would work would be to charge people based on how much water they use. They don't do that now, instead it is a political dogfight free-for-all over who can get the most subsidized water usage at the expense of everyone else.
    Oh, my GOD. A Carbon Tax. What a fantastic idea.
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    • #857
      Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Oh, my GOD. A Carbon Tax. What a fantastic idea.
      ...although farmers, who are the greatest users, are exempt, so it really doesn't do anything. And to those whining about where food comes from, you can apply the lesson from Matthew 7:26 here as well. Only a fool would farm in a desert.

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      • #858
        Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
        ...although farmers, who are the greatest users, are exempt, so it really doesn't do anything. And to those whining about where food comes from, you can apply the lesson from Matthew 7:26 here as well. Only a fool would farm in a desert.
        Well, then the tax doesn't work. Farmers should not be exempt. I hear Almonds eat up water like crazy and I would not say Almond farming is on the critical path for sustenance.
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        • #859
          Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          Well, then the tax doesn't work. Farmers should not be exempt. I hear Almonds eat up water like crazy and I would not say Almond farming is on the critical path for sustenance.
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          • #860
            Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            Well, then the tax doesn't work. Farmers should not be exempt. I hear Almonds eat up water like crazy and I would not say Almond farming is on the critical path for sustenance.
            On Bill Maher the stat was 1 gallon of water per almond.
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            • #861
              Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              On Bill Maher the stat was 1 gallon of water per almond.
              Yeah, I saw that episode. Scary.
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              • #862
                Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                On Bill Maher the stat was 1 gallon of water per almond.
                NPR had a water/ag expert on from California, a professor at one of the schools there. Blueberries, which largely come from CA, take 45 gallons per berry. I thought I misheard him, and the show's host asked him to confirm, and that's the figure he repeated.
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                • #863
                  Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                  I'm not sure I buy that.
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                  • #864
                    Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                    I'm not sure I buy that.
                    me, neither. Cranberries, perhaps, since they grow in bogs, but not blueberries. Sounds like someone just made up a meme to see if it would travel.
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                    • #865
                      Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                      me, neither. Cranberries, perhaps, since they grow in bogs, but not blueberries. Sounds like someone just made up a meme to see if it would travel.
                      Berries certainly have a lot of water content to them. 45 gallons per berry seems a bit excessive. Per bush is believeable.

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                      • #866
                        Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                        Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                        me, neither. Cranberries, perhaps, since they grow in bogs, but not blueberries. Sounds like someone just made up a meme to see if it would travel.
                        I decided to research it a little - slow day in the office - and this is the closest thing I could find to how much water growing blueberries requires.
                        Blueberries, because they are shallow-rooted, do require more water than most fruits so the surface roots do not dry out. Blueberries respond best to quality (deep) watering rather than keeping the surface moist. Water will move to the surface.
                        43 gallons still seems high, but given that it's a shallow-rooted plant that does require a fair amount of moisture, you might have to lay down 43 gallons of water (again, seems high), but it's not all going into the plant.
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                        • #867
                          Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                          Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                          me, neither. Cranberries, perhaps, since they grow in bogs, but not blueberries. Sounds like someone just made up a meme to see if it would travel.
                          It may not have been just made up out of thin air. It may be the result you get when you divide the amount of water used in cultivation of blueberries by the number blueberries you get back. The 45 gallons may then be the "cost" of a blueberry but they didn't actually all go to the one blueberry -- most was probably wasted.

                          I'm sure the numbers get huge when you start trying to calculate the externalities of most products. The lesson I'd take from that is that producers who are able to pawn off such large resource costs on the community are welfare queens. Your lesson is likely different.
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                          • #868
                            Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                            My lesson is to check the math...

                            564.4M lbs of blueberries produced in the US / 6 lbs/ gal = 94M gal. Average blueberry diameter of 10 mm with a close-spherical packing factor of 0.74 means 2675 blueberries/gal, for a total of 252B blueberries. At 45 gal per berry, that would be 11,300T gallons of water needed.

                            Total US water usage in a year is estimated at 400T gallons, about 30x less than the above calculation shows would be needed just to produce blueberries.

                            tl;dr: Not. Even. Freaking. Close.

                            I'm not citing my references, but feel free to check - nearly all came from USDA and other government sources.
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                            • #869
                              Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                              Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                              I decided to research it a little - slow day in the office - and this is the closest thing I could find to how much water growing blueberries requires.

                              43 gallons still seems high, but given that it's a shallow-rooted plant that does require a fair amount of moisture, you might have to lay down 43 gallons of water (again, seems high), but it's not all going into the plant.
                              I wonder how big a difference it would make if they used soaker hoses instead of sprinklers in agriculture (unless they already do, what do I know?)

                              In our 200 sq ft garden, we switched to soaker hoses several years ago and the difference is substantial: only the beds get watered, not the path; and there is no evaporation off the leaves. Running the hose for a shorter period of time leaves the ground around the roots wetter.

                              Of course, to get them to switch from sprinklers to hoses on those giant fields they have, you'd need a substantial economic incentive, which means that if you charged market prices for water, you'd have a strong incentive to reduce usage, making the systems pay for themselves pretty quickly. Absent market prices for water, why bother: lobbyists are cheaper in the long run.
                              Last edited by FreshFish; 04-15-2015, 03:56 PM.
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                              • #870
                                Re: Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

                                I've heard a pound of steak requires over 1,000 gallons of water to produce. Screw taking shorter showers, if you want to conserve water cut your meat consumption.

                                While they don't have enough water in California I have so much ground water it is gushing out the top of my well non-stop. I wonder how much would come out if I took the cap off. In the summer it only comes out after a rainstorm. In the spring it's a constant stream from around the well cap.

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