Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I lean towards Bob's view. After Christ confronted the mob about to stone the woman ("...cast the first stone"), he admonishes the woman to go and sin no more. Christ did not condone the sin, He just told the sinner to stop sinning.

If one believes that the homosexual act is a sin, then you want the person to stop to protect their immortal soul. But should the Christian (or other religion) do a hellfire and ****ation rant on that group or person? Nope. We were given free will to do what we want. Some of our choices are correct, and some are incorrect. We live with the consequences of these actions.

If a homosexual wanted my advice I would say, "Don't do it." But it is always their choice and the consequences (if any) are theirs.

The Romans tried to stop "criminals" from doing things they didn't want. In order to achieve this by scaring people into not doing the crime, they refer to the crime as a "sin".

[Bob Gray]

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Everyone knows Jesus was a goalie. Most hockey players swear.

Well, there are a variety of references in the Bible to Jesus being the rock and other solid, defensive language, so I guess goaltending could work. He'd probably have some real great artwork on his mask!

[Bob Gray]

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The Romans tried to stop "criminals" from doing things they didn't want. In order to achieve this by scaring people into not doing the crime, they refer to the crime as a "sin".

And the Romans turned Christians into tiki torches, etc. What the Romans said has little to nothing to do with Christianity. Now if one worships Jupiter, etc. then that's another story.

[Shirtless Guy]

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And the Romans turned Christians into tiki torches, etc. What the Romans said has little to nothing to do with Christianity. Now if one worships Jupiter, etc. then that's another story.

Christmas is when it is because of the Romans just one example of the roman influence on Christianity.

[unofan]

Yes but isn't this where we should separate the fact that you can get married but someone doesn't have to sell you might cake for that wedding if they don't want to. You getting married doesn't effect them in anyway, they tolerate your marriage but shouldn't be required to provide any services in conjunction with that marriage if they don't want to.

No one forced the baker to enter the wedding cake industry, either. But once he did, he has to abide by his state's anti discrimination laws just as car dealers, plumbers, shoe salesmen, and every other businessperson has to. That he never had to deal with gay customers before they could get married doesn't excuse his breaking the law now (in those places where he would be breaking the law).

[Shirtless Guy]

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No one forced the baker to enter the wedding cake industry, either. But once he did, he has to abide by his state's anti discrimination laws just as car dealers, plumbers, shoe salesmen, and every other businessperson has to. That he never had to deal with gay customers before they could get married doesn't excuse his breaking the law now (in those places where he would be breaking the law).

I accept the issue in places where sexual orientation is a protected class, but that is not the case everywhere but you can bet they will press the issue everywhere because that's what they seem to do. I like how you just ignored my Jim Crow comment, btw.

[Bob Gray]

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Christmas is when it is because of the Romans just one example of the roman influence on Christianity.

But in the context cited of defining sin, what a clearly non-Christian group happened to say does have little to do with how sin is or isn't viewed in Christianity. In other areas there is certainly an argument to be made that there is some level of influence.

[Priceless]

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Well, there are a variety of references in the Bible to Jesus being the rock and other solid, defensive language, so I guess goaltending could work. He'd probably have some real great artwork on his mask!

You didn't know he was a goalie? "Jesus saves! but Moses scores on the rebound..."

[Shirtless Guy]

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You didn't know he was a goalie? "Jesus saves! but Moses scores on the rebound..."

Parise gets the rebound and scores in this part of the country

[theprofromdover]

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you didn't know he was a goalie? "jesus saves! But esposito scores on the rebound..." :d

fyp.

[Rover]

Yes but isn't this where we should separate the fact that you can get married but someone doesn't have to sell you might cake for that wedding if they don't want to. You getting married doesn't effect them in anyway, they tolerate your marriage but shouldn't be required to provide any services in conjunction with that marriage if they don't want to.

While I feel they should bake the cake an easy answer is if gay marriage is legal in the state then they can't refuse the customer's request but if it isn't I suppose they can. Mind you I'm not a lawyer. I don't like playing those games though because I'm not sure where you draw the line.

[5mn_Major]

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I lean towards Bob's view. After Christ confronted the mob about to stone the woman ("...cast the first stone"), he admonishes the woman to go and sin no more. Christ did not condone the sin, He just told the sinner to stop sinning.

If one believes that the homosexual act is a sin, then you want the person to stop to protect their immortal soul. But should the Christian (or other religion) do a hellfire and ****ation rant on that group or person? Nope. We were given free will to do what we want. Some of our choices are correct, and some are incorrect. We live with the consequences of these actions.

If a homosexual wanted my advice I would say, "Don't do it." But it is always their choice and the consequences (if any) are theirs.

You're point leaves one gaping hole though. One is selling one's body for money...and is degrading on many fronts. Anyone should stop it. The other is two people who care for each other...as hetero relationships are.

If a homosexual wanted my advice I would probably say, "Don't do it" also. But that's primarily because it makes no sense to me. As the son of God, Jesus could wordsmith his words very carefully...and the practice doesn't make His top 100.

[unofan]

I accept the issue in places where sexual orientation is a protected class, but that is not the case everywhere but you can bet they will press the issue everywhere because that's what they seem to do. I like how you just ignored my Jim Crow comment, btw.

Yeah, I'm sure there were some businesses who didn't support Jim Crow laws and were forced to follow them involuntarily. But let's look at some major examples. The Montgomery bus company didn't ask for the law to be repealed when the boycott began. It doubled down and asked for the right to stop serving black areas of the city. When the feds struck down Jim Crow laws on interstate commerce grounds, many affected businesses found work arounds to be wholly or primarily intrastate companies exempt from those rulings.

Such laws were made because of the support of the business class; they were not forced upon them.

[Bob Gray]

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Parise gets the rebound and scores in this part of the country

And I'm sure Freddy Meyer is lurking somewhere.

[ScoobyDoo]

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The norm of all of human history until relatively recently was also that women were property (first of their fathers, then their husbands). Does that mean we should stop treating women as equals?

That was a relatively recent change. Just like interracial marriage was a relatively recent change. If we want Biblical standards we should go back to the norm from 1 A.D.

You mean the norm of all of human history until the last handful of years?

Norm of human history is a horrible standard.