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  • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

    The offense didn't really move toward solving many of their issues and the special teams units were shaky as a whole. Thank god the defense went with an aggressive mindset. The blitzes were well designed and took advantage of some mental mistakes by Dallas, but sometimes it wasn't even that. When you just have an attack mentality on defense it fuels you even on plays where you have the protection outnumbered. I was maybe most impressed with the run defense. After a few successful carries early in the game, Dallas did nothing on the ground and really got away from it. Green Bay didn't have a stellar average and had no explosive plays in the run game, but I did like seeing them commit to it enough to get almost 30 carries and gain over 100 yards on the ground.

    Does Jeff Triplette's crew make that game unwatchable or what? It wasn't a particular beef against one team. They were just not very good. I know these are two of the most penalized teams in football and they didn't play anything close to a clean game, but I thought this crew took the approach I hate in just looking for any little reason they can find to call a penalty. One thing I'll freely admit is I'd have to look up is whether it's a penalty for a coach to challenge when he has none left. If it isn't a penalty, the rules need to be changed in the offseason to make it one. It's too easy for a coach to give his defense a break by throwing a challenge flag just to break some momentum. At the very least make the coach choose between taking a delay of game penalty or using a timeout if they have one. That's where Triplett's crew really looked like they didn't know what they were doing...to take so long to decide the Packers didn't have a challenge as well as taking 5 minutes to determine a fumble recovery wasn't reviewable. That one I did know the second Bum Jr. threw that red flag. They did get both of those right eventually, but taking so long made them look like they were completely lucky in doing so.

    One last thing, Woodson has to be your defensive player of the week. That guy can just ball. If he's willing to move to safety in a year or two he could probably be an every down player for another 4 years.
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    • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

      Originally posted by MW4Bucky&SNC View Post
      One thing I'll freely admit is I'd have to look up is whether it's a penalty for a coach to challenge when he has none left. If it isn't a penalty, the rules need to be changed in the offseason to make it one. It's too easy for a coach to give his defense a break by throwing a challenge flag just to break some momentum.
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      On third challenge: "I made a mistake." Was supposed to get a 15-yard penalty.
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      • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

        Yeah, it's a personal foul if the coach throws a third challenge flag, or throws the flag with under two minutes to go.
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        • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

          Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
          Yeah, it's a personal foul if the coach throws a third challenge flag, or throws the flag with under two minutes to go.
          Well time out here. It's NOT a personal foul to throw the challenge flag a 3rd time....provided the team wins the first two challenges.
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          • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

            Guys, who is this Spencer Havner fellow? Is he getting legit LB time?

            I only ask because he has TE/DP status in my league and DP get insane points each week (point per tackle, etc.)
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            • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

              Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
              Guys, who is this Spencer Havner fellow? Is he getting legit LB time?

              I only ask because he has TE/DP status in my league and DP get insane points each week (point per tackle, etc.)
              Havner is basically a converted LB. He's been getting almost all of his reps at TE, but does get some ST play, so that's about the only place he'd get any tackles.
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              • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                Believe it or not this is not from The Onion

                Iraqi detainees taunt Wisconsin National Guardsmen

                According to a military official, detainees at a Wisconsin National Guard camp in Iraq are using Brett Favre as a manner of getting at the guard troops there.

                "They know Favre by name," said First Lieutenant Tim Boehnen, who is from New Richmond, Wis. "One of the big words they know now is shenanigan. They'll constantly talk about 'Favre shenanigans,' 'He's so good for the Vikings,' and 'The Packers have got to really feel bad about that one.' " According to Boehnen, it started when troops there started decorating their camp in Packers colors.

                "We try to allow our troops to have as much fun in the compound as they can while still maintaining our professional manner," explained Boehnen. "We spend a lot of time painting and making our compound our own and representing us. Obviously, wherever Wisconsinites go, we bring the Packers with us."
                Once the decoration job happened, detainees became curious.

                "They obviously then started up the conversations, and started talking about Brett Favre. They soon learned about Favre going to the Vikings, and things just started going downhill from there." Boehnen said soccer is the main sport that detainees pay attention to there, so there's not exactly a Vikings fan club chapter in Iraq. "They'll hear guards talking about it, and then they pick up a lot of stuff from that, too," said Boehnen. "They're very crafty. They learn different stuff from different ways."

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                • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                  Iraqi Insurgents are pro-Favre? I'm fine with that. Something about that feels right.
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                  • Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
                    Iraqi Insurgents are pro-Favre?
                    No, they're anti-Green Bay.

                    Hey, it's like the abortion debate

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                    • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                      Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                      No, they're anti-Green Bay.

                      Hey, it's like the abortion debate
                      It just proves how right Pres. Bush was about how evil these people truly are.
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                      • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                        Apparently you were all right before...Bret Favre can bring about World Peace! He is uniting the world against the people of Green Bay!
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                        • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                          from jsonline:

                          Early reports on Al Harris and linebacker Aaron Kampman suggest both will miss the rest of the season.

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                          • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                            I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if both were ACL injuries. Harris' injury was completely non-contact and Kampman was locked up with a guy but wasn't rolled on or anything like that. When a guy goes down in a heap in those types of situations it's usually really bad. Poor Kampman. Between playing out of position and what we suspect for this injury it may cost him tens of millions of dollars this offseason when he's been nothing but a good soldier his entire career.
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                            • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                              This fell way too far down. If they win tonight I love their playoff chances. I see no way they don't get in if they finish 10-6, which would require 3-2 in December. With Atlanta already at 6 losses and Ryan still out and every other non-division leading NFC team having at least 7 losses, the Wildcard is a 3 team race between the Packers and whoever doesn't win the NFC East between Philly, Dallas, and the Giants. Since Philly plays the other 2 down the stretch, has the best NFC record, the Packers have the tiebreaker against Dallas, and at worst the Packers will have a record equal to the Giants, I'd say rooting for Philly down the stretch is the way to go.
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                              • Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

                                That was a pretty neat experiment to see how many penalty yards they could get against a decent team and still win. We'll see if they can get it over 200 and still win. I expected some penalties with the two most penalized teams meeting and I thought turnovers could happen with 2 aggressive defenses. This was a little much though.

                                I really didn't have much of a beef with Walt Coleman's crew. I thought they got most things right based on how they are instructed by the NFL to enforce the rules. I'm just so sick of how the NFL's rules don't allow DBs to compete for position or the ball. The NFL has their approach all wrong on this. They can't ask their officials to call every little tiny hand fight downfield.
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