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  • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
    What really chaps my hide is that as we move in that direction, with people seeing medical care as a right owed to them, we've essentially come to the point where we have the right to another person's expertise and labor.
    I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor). None of which would jive with your implied assertion that she is somehow a slave to her clients.

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      Originally posted by unofan View Post
      I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor). None of which would jive with your implied assertion that she is somehow a slave to her clients.
      Even by your standards, your thinking here is incredibly jumbled.
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        Originally posted by Old Priocless View Post
        Fixed your post. You and a couple other USCHO conservaginas, most notably our "libertarian" sociopath FlagDUDE, have proven time and time again with your platitudinous codswallop, that you've swallowed the Koch brothers' agenda - hook, line, and sinker. You are the ones obsessed with race (interesting for an ancient white guy such as yourself to be so keenly fixated on telling the black community his ideas for how they should behave themselves), you are the ones going apesh*t about every single thing Obama has tried to do, whilst subtly applauding the childish lack of negotiation from your side of the aisle, and you are the ones carping endlessly about "high" taxes and "wasteful" spending, whilst turning a blind eye to corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Why?
        I can't tell who this is; I think it's not one of the more prolific posters. It shows a pretty high level of critical thinking disguised as outrage, stilted language disguised as formality, and immaturity disguised as sophistry; I read recently how current college students are now making the archaic "whilst" popular in their term papers for unknown reasons, but I have a hard time picturing anyone over 30 using it that hasn't been dead for 200 years. On the other hand, it's hard to picture someone under 30 going with "carping" right there.
        Well done though, critic.
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        • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

          Originally posted by Tiggsy View Post
          When will we see the premiums go down like we were all promised?
          It's mathematically impossible.
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          • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            What really chaps my hide is that as we move in that direction, with people seeing medical care as a right owed to them, we've essentially come to the point where we have the right to another person's expertise and labor.
            I wish I could find the link. Some professor or left-wing political leader of some kind said that the concept that "it takes hard work to get ahead in life" is racist. Back in the 1980s, people spoke earnestly of the "right" to collect welfare.
            "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

            "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

            "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

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            • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

              Originally posted by unofun View Post
              I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor).
              She works, and gets paid for it, no?

              I think the complaint is more about able-bodied people who have the capacity to work yet do not work yet still expect to get paid. You probably knew that and pretended otherwise, eh?
              "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

              "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

              "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

              "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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              • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                She works, and gets paid for it, no?

                I think the complaint is more about able-bodied people who have the capacity to work yet do not work yet still expect to get paid. You probably knew that and pretended otherwise, eh?

                Doctors don't get paid?

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                • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                  Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor). None of which would jive with your implied assertion that she is somehow a slave to her clients.
                  There's a complete difference here in that your wife could take a job with a private firm, moving out of the public defender's office. With single payer medicine there is no moving out of the public realm. Sure, your official employer might be some Catholic hospital, or somthing similar, but your cases and what procedures you're able to perform are all dictated by the federal government because it's paying all the bills.

                  Concierge medicine might be an option, but that's only if it's permitted. Knowing the class warriors that exist in government and all over progressive politics today, you're likely to see something like that made illegal because it wouldn't be fair.

                  With that, I wouldn't have sympathy for new doctors entering the field after all of this came to pass, but certainly for those who entered the field prior to this. To have an insurance provider create roadblocks to care is bad enough, a doctor can either find ways around them or to no longer be part of that network, but a single payer is an entirely new paradigm from which there would be no escape other than to seek a new profession.
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                  • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                    Hmmm, I just learned there is an Internal Medicine Concierge office very close to my home. I've been thinking of finding a new doc since it's been a while since I've seen a GP (just specialists as needed). Given a fairly high deductible and an HSA plan, this likely makes a lot of sense for me. I think I'll give them a try.

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                    • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                      It's mathematically impossible.
                      And yet the premiums for state of iowa employees dropped about 4% this year.

                      (I know anecdotes are not data, but since everyone else here seems to think they are, I got plenty of my own)

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                      • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                        She works, and gets paid for it, no?

                        I think the complaint is more about able-bodied people who have the capacity to work yet do not work yet still expect to get paid. You probably knew that and pretended otherwise, eh?
                        Show me a doctor who doesn't get paid, and I'll show you a bridge I have for sale.

                        Edit: once you get past college football and basketball coaches, the next highest salaries for state employees are typically doctors.
                        Last edited by unofan; 10-31-2013, 09:05 AM.

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                        • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                          Originally posted by unofan View Post
                          Show me a doctor who doesn't get paid, and I'll show you a bridge I have for sale.

                          Edit: once you get past college football and basketball coaches, the next highest salaries for state employees are typically doctors.
                          Yeah, the chief of cardiology at the major state medical school - how many of those are there per state?

                          The real issue is not whether the *doctors* get paid (they will/do) - the issue is whether their employers stay solvent, and whether investing in a health care practice appears to be a satisfactory investment. If not, investors' dollars have plenty of other places to go and there won't be enough medical practices to provide all the great care that we're supposed to get under Obamacare.
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                          • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                            Too much crying out of the Teabagger chorus. If you people were around during WW2, we'd all be speaking German right now with your can't do attitude. Lose the skirts and stop whining already.

                            A few points:

                            1) Doctors can either abide by the new rules or get lost. Rules change all the time. They did in my industry (finance). They do in the legal field. They will in medicine. I'm not aware of too many doctors being driven into poverty by gubmint regulations.

                            2) Conservatives need to abide by the saying: "You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem". IF Obamacare is soooo unpopular, and its the single biggest issue facing the country today, why aren't we talking about President Romney? Why is the opposition party less popular than toe fungus? Wake up people. We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you. Stop being dinosaurs already.

                            3) It was revealed in 2010 that non-conforming policies would go away. What some people are too stupid to understand is insurance is a shared risk. If everybody only took out policies covering themselves if they got hit by a bus, but ran to the ER for all other ailments, the system would collapse. Policies should have a basic minimum of coverage, much like you have in car insurance. Again, stop whining and using this as a proxy for your frustrations with your personal life. People get old. Deal with it, and preferably not thru politics.
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                            • Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                              Yeah, the chief of cardiology at the major state medical school - how many of those are there per state?

                              The real issue is not whether the *doctors* get paid (they will/do) - the issue is whether their employers stay solvent, and whether investing in a health care practice appears to be a satisfactory investment. If not, investors' dollars have plenty of other places to go and there won't be enough medical practices to provide all the great care that we're supposed to get under Obamacare.
                              That was an issue long before Obamacare. I've been hearing my entire adult life about the pending shortage of medical providers

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                              • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                                Deborah Cavallaro is a hard-working real estate agent in the Westchester suburb of Los Angeles who has been featured prominently on a round of news shows lately, talking about how badly Obamacare is going to cost her when her existing plan gets canceled and she has to find a replacement.

                                She says she’s angry at President Obama for having promised that people who like their health plans could keep them, when hers is getting canceled for not meeting Obamacare’s standards.

                                “Please explain to me,” she told Maria Bartiromo on CNBC Wednesday, “how my plan is a ‘substandard’ plan when … I’d be paying more for the exchange plans than I am currently paying by a wide margin.”
                                Bartiromo didn’t follow up with the guest, so Michael Hiltzik did. He discovered that Deborah Cavallaro has a pretty awful health plan, which costs $293 a month in premiums, along with a deductible of $5,000 a year and a limit of two doctor visits a year, each of which come with a $40 copay. If she sees her physician more than twice, she’s responsible for 100% of the costs.

                                Under “Obamacare,” she can sign up for a “silver” coverage plan for $333 a month with a vastly reduced deductible and no limits on the number of times she’s able to see her doctor. She can also sign up for a “bronze” plan and pay as little as $194 a month. She’d have the same deductible she has now, but she’d save on premiums and have no limits on the number of visits.

                                Under either plan, this woman would have fewer health care costs and greater security with coverage that couldn’t be taken away.
                                Man that sucks.

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