The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[walrus]

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Oops the ACA website is down completely

[DrDemento]

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Oops the ACA website is down completely

But if you are happy with your current coverage and policy you can keep it! If you want to keep the same doctor for your care, you can! I know this to be true because my president told me so several times on the various media. I will just now ignore the letter from Horizon BC of NJ that my wife received telling her that her policy will not be renewed this coming year because it does not include all the regualtions of the ACA. I am sure that when they do get around to offering us a new policy that the coverage will most certainly not be the same or better and that the out of pocket cost for deductible and copayments will likewise not be what we had before. My wife and I have been in the medicine for almost 45 years. We have dealt with the insurance coverage/medicare/medicaid/ etc for all of that time. I think we are in the rathe unique position of understand what the ramifications of this is going to be. The non functioning web site is the least of my problem with this entire fiasco.

[walrus]

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But if you are happy with your current coverage and policy you can keep it! If you want to keep the same doctor for your care, you can! I know this to be true because my president told me so several times on the various media. I will just now ignore the letter from Horizon BC of NJ that my wife received telling her that her policy will not be renewed this coming year because it does not include all the regualtions of the ACA. I am sure that when they do get around to offering us a new policy that the coverage will most certainly not be the same or better and that the out of pocket cost for deductible and copayments will likewise not be what we had before. My wife and I have been in the medicine for almost 45 years. We have dealt with the insurance coverage/medicare/medicaid/ etc for all of that time. I think we are in the rathe unique position of understand what the ramifications of this is going to be. The non functioning web site is the least of my problem with this entire fiasco.

It was Obamas signature legislation and he had no clue what was in it. He stood up and lied just like the rest, but no sticky

[ScoobyDoo]

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I find this the most peculiar thing about Health Care in the United States.

1. The Conservative party in the US finds the "payment" part of the law the part they hate the most and want overturned.
2. The last Health Care law passed at the Federal Level by the Conservative party had no payment provision whatsoever.

Bottom line? Obama was better off just passing an expansion of Medicaid, CHIPS, a preexisting condition mandate, and a "cover your kids till 26" mandate and NOT paid for it all just added it to the debt. It would have passed and no one would even be talking about it right now.

[Patman]

Fishbreath, once again you're busted. People are "losing" crappy health plans that don't meet minimum coverage requirements. For example if you had insurance that only covered you if you lost a body part, the ACA will inform your carrier that charging for such minimal coverage is not legal so stop offering the plan. Most likely these people will obtain more coverage for the same price or less out on the exchanges.

Is that a fact or an article of faith?

[joecct]

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Rover

Can't find your quote that was quoted below. So here would be my response....


True -- absolutely 100% true.

BUT, you then get a plan whose premium just went up by multiples of 100% and whose deductible may have doubled or tripled and may have less coverage than what you had, or may cover things you do not need. In a stagnant economy, a whopper of a out of pocket increase is not appreciated, especially if you have done nothing to contribute to that increase.

And if the legislation (settled law) says that the implementation is date X, nobody, outside of the legislature may change that date (assuming that you live in a nation of laws, not a nation of government by diktat).

[Patman]

But if you are happy with your current coverage and policy you can keep it! If you want to keep the same doctor for your care, you can! I know this to be true because my president told me so several times on the various media. I will just now ignore the letter from Horizon BC of NJ that my wife received telling her that her policy will not be renewed this coming year because it does not include all the regualtions of the ACA. I am sure that when they do get around to offering us a new policy that the coverage will most certainly not be the same or better and that the out of pocket cost for deductible and copayments will likewise not be what we had before. My wife and I have been in the medicine for almost 45 years. We have dealt with the insurance coverage/medicare/medicaid/ etc for all of that time. I think we are in the rathe unique position of understand what the ramifications of this is going to be. The non functioning web site is the least of my problem with this entire fiasco.

Look doc, we got the best humanities majors and poli sci happy hour heroes into a room and crafted this for the higher glory of service to humanity. How dare you criticize the best and the brightest in spite of the technocratic faith. We are good people and do are actions are prima facie good. Anybody who disagrees is either dumb or has an ulterior motive.

Seriously, a whole load of "nothing to see here, move along". And any attempt to point out the obvious faults is smeared with lack of caring about people or stating that its been set up to fail because we're not willing to help them in their endeavor. It is interesting in that it means they're giving up the notion that they have the best and brightest trying to engineer a wonderful idea. Now it's our fault that somehow we are denying them resources. I thought if you had the best and brightest then you wouldn't need a course correction? I thought that is what this was all about. Now I'm being told that it isn't doable.

Even further is the meme that we would admit the faults and failures if not for THEM as our failure enable THEM. Really? You are that freaking weak? That didn't stop you when you thought you were superman(men). This blame shifting is really really stupid. It also belies who you do and do not trust. I'd love to peel this one out further. It seems liberals are boxed in and if you look at it, it's a strong reveal of what they think of everybody else. That they can't run things and function at their best because of THEM but we should trust them to operate at their best. We should paper over flaws not because they are flaws but because it gives ammo to the notion there may be an underlying fault.

So basically, to protect a political culture, they mounted lie on lie in fear of THEM. Really? This is what to expect from the technocratic wonders? No wonder the masters of transparency act so guardedly. At the end of the day they see the world as something out to ruin their perfection. What it really means is that the people of the nation are not fit to rule themselves because they'll make the "incorrect" decisions. That's a terrible way to run a free democratic society.

[Rover]

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People you're making me yawn. After I've been up late watching the Sox no less.

A technological roll out was buggy. Never seen that before (Windows Vista, Windows 8, etc). Take a deep breath, relax, and wait for the thing to get fixed. If it truly is supposed to bring about the Zombie Apocalypse, don't you want it to take a while to fix so the zombie's stay at bay for a little bit longer?

Old political joke: Why don't cannibals eat liberals?

Professional courtesy.

[walrus]

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If this true, can you say Haliburton
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-website.html

No sticky,right Scooby?

[Priceless]

If this true, can you say Haliburton
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-website.html

No sticky,right Scooby?

That site crashed the web browser on my phone, which is a real shame because I was intrigued by the headline about Vladimir Putin taking meth.

[SJHovey]

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A technological roll out was buggy. Never seen that before (Windows Vista, Windows 8, etc).

I'm thinking that a marketing plan for the healthcare program of, "Hey, we're just like Windows Vista" wouldn't be a good strategy. Windows Vista sucks.

[ScoobyDoo]

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If this true, can you say Haliburton
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-website.html

No sticky,right Scooby?

Nope, no sticky. I work in IT. I think this whole website debacle is stupidity incarnate. However, I see this level of incompetence every day in my field so I'm not surprised.

[walrus]

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That site crashed the web browser on my phone,

Moochelles buddy probably wrote the code for that site also

[Old Pio]

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Nope, no sticky. I work in IT. I think this whole website debacle is stupidity incarnate. However, I see this level of incompetence every day in my field so I'm not surprised.

"Everyday" do you see this level of incompetence involving a site that took 300 million dollars of taxpayer money and three years to build? Je le doute.

[FreshFish]

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NBC News reported Monday that sources deeply involved in ObamaCare concede that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to have coverage canceled in the next year.

One expert said the figure could be as high as 80 percent.

Obama administration officials knew when the regulations were written in 2010 that 40 to 67 percent of consumers on the individual market would lose coverage, NBC said

Who are they to declare what kind of policies are good enough when every one of the 50 states have a state department of insurance that tailors plan requirements to the specific needs of that state's residents, and when all 50 states coordinate their insurance requirements through the National Association of Insurance Commissioners? The NAIC already provides model language for laws, and the members of NAIC vote on reserve requirements and quality of reserves so that they are uniform throughout the 50 states.

We have policies that have helped low-income people get essential coverage for decades being tossed now because some white-collar elitist far removed from real life as experienced by most people makes something up that s/he thinks "ought to be" reasonable, without any basis in experience or technical knowledge?

If there is a Deity, please protect us from the federal government!