The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[unofan]

You're still a pathetic liar. These are people I know personally, they constitute 2/3 of a small "Controls Engineering" company they set up to install heating/cooling controls. One of them is the owner and the other one tells the owner what to do.
Please don't make stupid accusations you can't back up just because you're unwilling to see the forest for the trees:
Unfortunately, while it's easy to cherrypick cases where some single healthy person who previously wanted only catastrophic coverage is getting more thorough coverage at a reasonable rate, those cases are proving to be the exception when you look at the big picture of previously decent family coverage going by the wayside and people being threatened with fines because they can't afford the supposedly "better" (but far more expensive) plans now on offer that offer worse coverage. It's a complete disaster for most families.

A company of three is not covered by the ACA. So please explain to me how this is the ACA's fault. Especially if none of these supposedly bright engineers has looked for better options on the exchanges yet.

Edit: I also love how you automatically believe these two guys represent "most families." Because the plural of anecdotes you agree with is data, apparently.

[Handyman]

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So it is ok for you to cherry pick cases but not him? When the media shows someone get screwed it is a-ok but when the stories are debunked then it is all of a sudden the exception and not the rule?

Tell me why you are so trustworthy and he is the liar or I am gonna start to believe you actually think Jimmy Carter is the scum of the Earth

[geezer]

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I think you nailed it! Easy download and e-mail from the Drudge site or something like that.

You're still a pathetic liar. These are people I know personally, they constitute 2/3 of a small "Controls Engineering" company they set up to install heating/cooling controls. One of them is the owner and the other one tells the owner what to do.
Please don't make stupid accusations you can't back up just because you're unwilling to see the forest for the trees:
Unfortunately, while it's easy to cherrypick cases where some single healthy person who previously wanted only catastrophic coverage is getting more thorough coverage at a reasonable rate, those cases are proving to be the exception when you look at the big picture of previously decent family coverage going by the wayside and people being threatened with fines because they can't afford the supposedly "better" (but far more expensive) plans now on offer that offer worse coverage. It's a complete disaster for most families.

[Handyman]

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I think you nailed it! Easy download and e-mail from the Drudge site or something like that.

I bet it was that jerk Jimmy Carter...sounds right up his alley

[unofan]

I pay for those services directly. You don't pay for my steaks of beers.

Then you're complaining about work ethic and carrying one's own weight, not self reliance. And good luck convincing me that the penalty for laziness should be death.

[St. Clown]

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Self reliance has been going down since man first formed a tribe. It's a feature, not a bug.

Unless you built that arena to watch the hockey game while drinking the beer you brewed and eating the burger from the cow you personally butchered.

I pay for those services directly. You don't pay for my steaks of beers.

[unofan]

I did not know that, but it doesn't really make things much better. Self reliance in this nation is a dying notion and Obamacare just takes us yet another step down that road.

Self reliance has been going down since man first formed a tribe. It's a feature, not a bug.

Unless you built that arena to watch the hockey game while drinking the beer you brewed and eating the burger from the cow you personally butchered.

[St. Clown]

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You do realize you get the option to have the credits applied to your upfront premiums under most circumstances, right? Most people will not need to wait until April 2015 to be reimbursed.

I did not know that, but it doesn't really make things much better. Self reliance in this nation is a dying notion and Obamacare just takes us yet another step down that road.

[Rover]

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This reads like a fw:fw:fw:email.

How small is the small company? Who is the insurer? What do they make? 3000/month is 36000/year. Unless they're making well into the six figures, they would be eligible to go to the exchanges since their employer provided coverage costs more than 9% of their income.

As far as your Medicaid question, it doesn't cover nearly the amount of people you are assuming it covers. The ACA was going to fix that by giving the states more money to cover more people, but many GOP governors turned it down in a case of biting off their noses to spite their faces.

I think you nailed it! Easy download and e-mail from the Drudge site or something like that.

[unofan]

It's not a discounted plan. It's a plan that receives an annual subsidy while requiring monthly payments greater than her current plan. What's happening is that the PPACA is now shifting the payment of her insurance premiums from Dianne Barrette to society at large. And that's assuming that she can handle the increased monthly premiums without going bankrupt prior to receiving her tax subsidy in April 2015.

You do realize you get the option to have the credits applied to your upfront premiums under most circumstances, right? Most people will not need to wait until April 2015 to be reimbursed.

[unofan]

Two of my friends work at the same small company. They just got word their insurance premium is doubling this year because of Obamacare, from an already high $1500 per month to $3000 per month. They both have kids, which might explain why they're being hit this hard. The sad thing is that the benefits are being cut (care network contraction) even while the premium is going up. It's a lose-lose situation.
There are no real changes this year at my work. Our health care plan was already gutted out over the last two years in anticipation of Obamacare taxes, so we were preemptively disenfranchised from having decent insurance because of Obamacare. By the way, how was Medicaid not always doing the job that Obamacare spent all these $billions$ failing so badly to address? It was here all along without bankrupting everyone inventing some new bureaucracy. That will probably be my last best option to get coverage for next year.

This reads like a fw:fw:fw:email.

How small is the small company? Who is the insurer? What do they make? 3000/month is 36000/year. Unless they're making well into the six figures, they would be eligible to go to the exchanges since their employer provided coverage costs more than 9% of their income.

As far as your Medicaid question, it doesn't cover nearly the amount of people you are assuming it covers. The ACA was going to fix that by giving the states more money to cover more people, but many GOP governors turned it down in a case of biting off their noses to spite their faces.

[geezer]

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Two of my friends work at the same small company. They just got word their insurance premium is doubling this year because of Obamacare, from an already high $1500 per month to $3000 per month. They both have kids, which might explain why they're being hit this hard. The sad thing is that the benefits are being cut (care network contraction) even while the premium is going up. It's a lose-lose situation.
There are no real changes this year at my work. Our health care plan was already gutted out over the last two years in anticipation of Obamacare taxes, so we were preemptively disenfranchised from having decent insurance because of Obamacare. By the way, how was Medicaid not always doing the job that Obamacare spent all these $billions$ failing so badly to address? It was here all along without bankrupting everyone inventing some new bureaucracy. That will probably be my last best option to get coverage for next year.

[Rover]

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It's not a discounted plan. It's a plan that receives an annual subsidy while requiring monthly payments greater than her current plan. What's happening is that the PPACA is now shifting the payment of her insurance premiums from Dianne Barrette to society at large.

Society at large will be paying her bills anyway if she's bankrupt but still needs medical care. Hospitals can't refuse her treatment, but somebody has to pay for that. That someone will be us, and I'd rather have her treated ahead of time.

[St. Clown]

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Heh, funny. Dianne Barrette was paraded around right wing media as a victim of Obamacare. Turns out she ended up with a better deal after all. I wonder if the right wing media will update everyone?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...ssing-disguise

The Affordable Care Act offered an upgrade at a discount – she’s eligible for a subsidy under the law.

It's not a discounted plan. It's a plan that receives an annual subsidy while requiring monthly payments greater than her current plan. What's happening is that the PPACA is now shifting the payment of her insurance premiums from Dianne Barrette to society at large. And that's assuming that she can handle the increased monthly premiums without going bankrupt prior to receiving her tax subsidy in April 2015.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Heh, funny. Dianne Barrette was paraded around right wing media as a victim of Obamacare. Turns out she ended up with a better deal after all. I wonder if the right wing media will update everyone?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...ssing-disguise

Upon further inspection, the story of this “Obamacare victim” was far different from what those initial interviews suggested. Barrette had an awful insurance plan that left her one serious ailment away from bankruptcy. The Affordable Care Act offered an upgrade at a discount – she’s eligible for a subsidy under the law. Jonathan Cohn did some additional research, discovered that Barrette could sign up for a vastly better plan than she has now, and it’d cost her between $50 to $150 more per month, depending on how much coverage she was prepared to buy. Cohn asked Barrette directly if this would appeal to her, given her personal circumstances.

Here was her response: “I would jump at it,” she said.