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  • Originally posted by Rover View Post
    Those poor, poor, poor rich people, who have to pay a little more to fund healthcare. I almost missed the story where they gave away all their money and became homeless in order to beat the new taxes.
    Wish someone would have told me before that I was rich, I wouldn't have to work
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    • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
      You hold no mortgage? You've never attended a university? (unless you went to that school in western MI [Hillman?] that refuses all government money)? Your children haven't gone to college or public K-12 schools?
      Bet he's driven on an interstate - probably to a National Park, too.
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        Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
        You hold no mortgage? You've never attended a university? (unless you went to that school in western MI [Hillman?] that refuses all government money)? Your children haven't gone to college or public K-12 schools?
        Funny. I figured I've paid for all that stuff with my tax dollars. I guess that's the difference between liberals and conservatives.
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          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          Funny. I figured I've paid for all that stuff with my tax dollars. I guess that's the difference between liberals and conservatives.
          You would need to earn an exceptional income to have your personal taxes pay for all of your childrens' educations, the tax payer portion of your college degree, and every other service that's publicly funded that you've received throughout your life.

          ETA: And with the Federal government borrowing 40% of all it spends, your taxes are nowhere near paying for all the services you consume. And the same could be said for a number of state and local governments, too.
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          • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
            Close to it, yeah. Although I'd debate the mortgage interest deduction as it's a tax deduction, not a transfer payment or grant. And your list goes to show just how insidious it all is. There are majore economic impacts to all of these things because of government involvement and yet it's not really needed. Even the mortgage deduction impacts mortgage rates, acting as a price support for mortgage companies, so they can charge higher rates because people know they'll get some of their money back when filing taxes.
            It also encourages home ownership, which has positive benefits to communities that can't always be quantified.

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            • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
              Close to it, yeah. Although I'd debate the mortgage interest deduction as it's a tax deduction, not a transfer payment or grant. And your list goes to show just how insidious it all is. There are majore economic impacts to all of these things because of government involvement and yet it's not really needed. Even the mortgage deduction impacts mortgage rates, acting as a price support for mortgage companies, so they can charge higher rates because people know they'll get some of their money back when filing taxes.

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              • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                You would need to earn an exceptional income to have your personal taxes pay for all of your childrens' educations, the tax payer portion of your college degree, and every other service that's publicly funded that you've received throughout your life.

                ETA: And with the Federal government borrowing 40% of all it spends, your taxes are nowhere near paying for all the services you consume. And the same could be said for a number of state and local governments, too.
                It borrows 40%, and an additional 36% (60% of the 60% it collects) comes from taxpayers making more than $160K per year. Which is to say that the contributions from us "normal folk" only cover about 24% of total federal expenditures.
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                • So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.

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                  • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                    Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                    Death panels?
                    i said "better" not "ruthlessly cost-effective."
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                      Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                      So basically, everyone is on the dole at one time or another.

                      Isn't that the essence of the Double-Secret Grand Master Plan? "You get this so I can get that so that everyone gets something so that career politicians collectively become entrenched in office forever?"


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                      • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                        Originally posted by unofan View Post
                        You mean like the employees of Walgreens who are similarly being subsidized by their employer?
                        No, that's not at all what I mean. Employees of Walgreens are not required by statute to acquire insurance through public exchanges. Members of Congress and their staff are. They didn't like the consequences of the law they passed, and rather than revise it, they try to weasel out by subterfuge instead.

                        So you also surrender intellectual consistency at the altar of defend your Master from any and all criticism, eh? I thought you were a lawyer. I guess they teach utter disrespect for the law in law school these days, is that it?
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                        "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                        "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                        "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                          Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                          Employer provided insurance does not pool people together based on their risk profile, period.
                          wow, can you provide any evidence to support this assertion? You've never heard of the term "experience rated?" are you honestly going to try to maintain that a pool of 30-year old construction workers are charged the same rate as a pool of 30-year old office workers, despite the greater risk of injury for the former vs the latter?


                          Based on your quote, you also are saying that people who live in New York City have the same premium rates as people who live in Cheyenne, Wyoming? even though hospitals and doctors in the former are considerably more expensive than they are in the latter? I mean, part of a risk profile are costs incurred, yet if employer-provided insurance is not priced based on risk profile, why then does employer-sponsored insurance have higher premiums in locations where medical expenses are higher?


                          It sounds like you don't have much actual practical experience in health insurance, just a lot of opinions about how you think it operates.
                          "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                          "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                          "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                          "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                          • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                            Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                            So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.


                            so that you personally can kill all the terrorists who show up at your doorstep once the army stops killing them overseas?
                            "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                            "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                            "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                            "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                            • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                              No, that's not at all what I mean. Employees of Walgreens are not required by statute to acquire insurance through public exchanges. Members of Congress and their staff are. They didn't like the consequences of the law they passed, and rather than revise it, they try to weasel out by subterfuge instead.

                              So you also surrender intellectual consistency at the altar of defend your Master from any and all criticism, eh? I thought you were a lawyer. I guess they teach utter disrespect for the law in law school these days, is that it?
                              As you say, the law requires them to get insurance on the exchanges. No where does it say the government can or cannot subsidize it as their employer like it did their previous insurance or like the majority of the 80% of Americans who get insurance thru the workplace. In the absence of specific statutory language, the executive branch is allowed to issue regulations consist with the law. The code of federal regulations is just as much valid law as the us code.

                              Additionally, if the law says what you and your chain email forwarding ilk think it says, the Vitter Amendment would be unnecessary and duplicative. Since courts presume congress would not pass (or attempt to pass, in this case) meaningless laws, the law must not be as you claim. Otherwise why would the Vitter Amendment be required?
                              Last edited by unofan; 10-03-2013, 01:34 PM.

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                              • Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

                                Originally posted by Priceless View Post
                                So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.
                                Yeah, no kidding. Sorry everyone I guess I'm a ****ing freeloader. Where the **** is my food stamps etc? I should be getting as much as everyone else. In fact I want my unemployment insurance even though I'm working.

                                God this conversation is stupid.
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