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    What a travesty.

    Butch Matthews is a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas who used to wake up every morning at 4 A.M. to deliver canned beverages to retailers before retiring in 2010. A lifelong Republican, he was heavily skeptical of the Affordable Care Act when it first passed. “I did not think that Obamacare was going to be a good plan, I did not think that it was going to help me at all,” he told ThinkProgress over the phone. But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas’ Obamacare marketplace.

    Matthews was self-employed between 1997 and 2010, meaning he had to purchase his own plan on the individual market. He chose a Blue Cross Blue Shield plan for himself and his wife that charged a $250 per month premium and had a $2,000 deductible. But the price of that policy kept rising even as it covered fewer of his costs, eventually devolving into his current rate of $1,069 per month with a $10,000 deductible. At this point, it doesn’t even cover his medication or doctors’ visits — particularly concerning considering he had to have two stents placed in his heart in 2006.

    “I do not work now, I’m 61, and we do have assets saved up. But still, to come up with that $1,069 per month….” he said, trailing off. “I went to Blue Cross Blue Shield, and they don’t even sell that plan anymore, but I could not change it to anything else. So I was locked in with it.”

    That all changed once Obamacare’s state-level marketplaces opened to the public on Tuesday. Matthews knew that, at his income level, the law would help him pay for insurance. But even he might not have expected just how good of a deal he could get: his new coverage will cost him absolutely nothing in monthly premiums after factoring in federal subsidies, and has a deductible of $750. “Which is a lot different from $10,000,” he pointed out, laughing. The mid-level “Silver” policy that he picked out also offers a significantly better benefits package. “It’s a lot better plan,” Matthews said. His old plan was considered to be “Bronze” and had much higher co-pays. Under Obamacare, when Matthews visits a doctor, it will no longer cost him around $150. It will cost $8.
    So what would Matthews tell other Americans who are skeptical about Obamacare? “I would tell them to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it,” he noted. “Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it.”
    Facts? We don't need no stinkin facts!

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  • jerphisch
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    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    Apparently arithmetic is not part of your skill set. If you don't understand how the transitive property works by now, I doubt that trying to explain it on a message board will help you.
    Apparently actually answering questions is not part of your skill set. If by your definition young people overpay now, and will continue to do so, how is this a travesty of Obamacare? If you dont understand how health insurance works by now, I doubt trying to explain it on a message board will help you.

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  • unofan
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    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    Apparently arithmetic is not part of your skill set. If you don't understand how the transitive property works by now, I doubt that trying to explain it on a message board will help you.
    That's rich coming from someone who doesn't understand the math behind lotteries, roulette, and coin flips.

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  • FreshFish
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    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    That doesn't mean they're overpaying.
    Apparently arithmetic is not part of your skill set. If you don't understand how the transitive property works by now, I doubt that trying to explain it on a message board will help you.

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  • MattS
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    Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
    When the government mandates demand, of course there will be a huge amount of traffic on the first day everyone is required to start purchasing the product. They didn't design to handle peak needs.
    Let's be fair. The site was unable to handle the incoming traffic for one day. That's all we know so far. That one day when, with high probability, will be the only day said need will be necessary. Any other day from yesterday on forward will not have that kind of peak demand. Now if say 1 month from now, or worse yet, a year from now, the same issues are still there then a legitimate problem exists. Otherwise this is just a bunch of hand waving for either polticial gain or news ratings.

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  • St. Clown
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    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    You're not required to have it until March 30 this time around. Given how many people wait until April 15 to file their taxes, I doubt Billy Bob the self-employed gun dealer was trying to buy insurance yesterday rather than waiting til the last second.
    I think a lot of people have been hearing the October 1 date and therefore making the purchase today, assuming it's the required purchase date. In fact, even though I'm not the foremost consumer of news, I'm fairly well informed by most accounts, and I knew nothing of the March date. I was thinking it was on January 1 when the penalty phase began.

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  • unofan
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    Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
    When the government mandates demand, of course there will be a huge amount of traffic on the first day everyone is required to start purchasing the product. They didn't design to handle peak needs.
    You're not required to have it until March 30 this time around. Given how many people wait until April 15 to file their taxes, I doubt Billy Bob the self-employed gun dealer was trying to buy insurance yesterday rather than waiting til the last second.

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  • St. Clown
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    Originally posted by MattS View Post
    But...but...it CRASHED!!!


    Of course we all know that websites never crash when a huge influx of demand occurs.
    When the government mandates demand, of course there will be a huge amount of traffic on the first day everyone is required to start purchasing the product. They didn't design to handle peak needs.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    Almost hilariously Obamacare's website could have been showing porn and it would have gotten zero coverage due to the shutdown crowding out all other topics. (settle down Mookie I just made that example up ).

    This is why I don't get Republicans. The rollout will of course have glitches. If I'm a righty strategist, I want maximum attention on those glitches. In short, I want it to dominate the news cycle. Gee...what's happened entirely because of the very people who want to bring down Obamacare that's made this a non-story? Isn't anybody at RNC headquarters screaming over the phone at House Republicans to just pass a CR & debt hike for 6 weeks so you can gin up negative press on the roll out? Does anybody use their brains over there anymore?
    Just wait until they default on the debt. Then the fun really starts.

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  • Rover
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    Almost hilariously Obamacare's website could have been showing porn and it would have gotten zero coverage due to the shutdown crowding out all other topics. (settle down Mookie I just made that example up ).

    This is why I don't get Republicans. The rollout will of course have glitches. If I'm a righty strategist, I want maximum attention on those glitches. In short, I want it to dominate the news cycle. Gee...what's happened entirely because of the very people who want to bring down Obamacare that's made this a non-story? Isn't anybody at RNC headquarters screaming over the phone at House Republicans to just pass a CR & debt hike for 6 weeks so you can gin up negative press on the roll out? Does anybody use their brains over there anymore?

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    So Obamacare is so unwanted that the sites crashed from too many people trying to use them?
    Ironic, isn't it?

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  • MattS
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    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    So Obamacare is so unwanted that the sites crashed from too many people trying to use them?

    But...but...it CRASHED!!!


    Of course we all know that websites never crash when a huge influx of demand occurs.

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  • unofan
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    So Obamacare is so unwanted that the sites crashed from too many people trying to use them?

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  • jerphisch
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    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    I guess you haven't been watching or reading the news lately. It's been splashed all over. The young and healthy have to overpay relative to their risk level. It's an integral part of PPACA, they deliberately designed it this way.

    You seriously haven't seen any reference to the fact that if not enough young people enroll, it won't work??
    How is this different from the current system? Last I checked my employer doesnt offer me a lower rate on insurance than they offer older employees.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Originally posted by Rover View Post
    We've already had this discussion with him. His calculations are based on putting zero value on having insurance. So, if the fine is 200 bucks and insurance costs 201, he'd chose to not get insurance. Libertarians like to keep it simple.
    Must be nice.

    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    I guess you haven't been watching or reading the news lately. It's been splashed all over. The young and healthy have to overpay relative to their risk level. It's an integral part of PPACA, they deliberately designed it this way.

    You seriously haven't seen any reference to the fact that if not enough young people enroll, it won't work??
    That doesn't mean they're overpaying.

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