The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[unofan]

Close to it, yeah. Although I'd debate the mortgage interest deduction as it's a tax deduction, not a transfer payment or grant. And your list goes to show just how insidious it all is. There are majore economic impacts to all of these things because of government involvement and yet it's not really needed. Even the mortgage deduction impacts mortgage rates, acting as a price support for mortgage companies, so they can charge higher rates because people know they'll get some of their money back when filing taxes.

It also encourages home ownership, which has positive benefits to communities that can't always be quantified.

[St. Clown]

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Funny. I figured I've paid for all that stuff with my tax dollars. I guess that's the difference between liberals and conservatives.

You would need to earn an exceptional income to have your personal taxes pay for all of your childrens' educations, the tax payer portion of your college degree, and every other service that's publicly funded that you've received throughout your life.

ETA: And with the Federal government borrowing 40% of all it spends, your taxes are nowhere near paying for all the services you consume. And the same could be said for a number of state and local governments, too.

[ScoobyDoo]

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You hold no mortgage? You've never attended a university? (unless you went to that school in western MI [Hillman?] that refuses all government money)? Your children haven't gone to college or public K-12 schools?

Funny. I figured I've paid for all that stuff with my tax dollars. I guess that's the difference between liberals and conservatives.

[LynahFan]

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You hold no mortgage? You've never attended a university? (unless you went to that school in western MI [Hillman?] that refuses all government money)? Your children haven't gone to college or public K-12 schools?

Bet he's driven on an interstate - probably to a National Park, too.

[walrus]

Those poor, poor, poor rich people, who have to pay a little more to fund healthcare. I almost missed the story where they gave away all their money and became homeless in order to beat the new taxes.

Wish someone would have told me before that I was rich, I wouldn't have to work

[St. Clown]

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I'm not. Not yet, anyway.

You hold no mortgage? You've never attended a university? (unless you went to that school in western MI [Hillman?] that refuses all government money)? Your children haven't gone to college or public K-12 schools?

[jerphisch]

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"Travesty" is your word, not mine. That seems a bit hyperbolic. and how does it become "my" definition? I didn't write the law.

Generally, insurance pricing is proportionate to risk. The concept is to pool risk so that each person puts up a relatively small, known amount in exchange for the prospect of receiving a large sum if certain adverse events occur. When you pool risk, you typically pool together people with similar risk profiles.

The law is written so that young healthy people are asked to pay more than what their risk profile warrants. It is also written so that older, sicker people are asked to pay less than what their risk profile warrants. The excess of the former is supposed to cover the shortfall of the latter.

All of this is well-known and widely reported. It has nothing to do with me.

There is a far better way to accomplish the desired ends.

If by well known and widely reported you actually mean not what happens in real life then sure. For people who pay for their insurance (not uninsured or on a government program) about 80% of them get it through their employer. Employer provided insurance does not pool people together based on their risk profile, period. So the law is written to match the current practice that most of us already use. So how is this a big deal now?

[St. Clown]

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So essentially the entire country, then. Between Medicare, social security, Medicaid, mortgage interest deduction, student loan subsidies and forgiveness, research grants, corporate subsidies, farm subsidies, and traditional welfare, pretty much everyone's on the dole in one form or another.

Close to it, yeah. Although I'd debate the mortgage interest deduction as it's a tax deduction, not a transfer payment or grant. And your list goes to show just how insidious it all is. There are majore economic impacts to all of these things because of government involvement and yet it's not really needed. Even the mortgage deduction impacts mortgage rates, acting as a price support for mortgage companies, so they can charge higher rates because people know they'll get some of their money back when filing taxes.

[ScoobyDoo]

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So essentially the entire country, then. Between Medicare, social security, Medicaid, mortgage interest deduction, student loan subsidies and forgiveness, research grants, corporate subsidies, farm subsidies, and traditional welfare, pretty much everyone's on the dole in one form or another.

I'm not. Not yet, anyway.

[Rover]

You mean like the employees of Walgreens who are similarly being subsidized by their employer? Which you posted literally one day before you first brought up this talking point?

I'll take old pio's acerbic nature over your disingenuity any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The best part is The Boner got busted writing e-mails saying he wanted to preserve the ability of the feds to help staff pay for health care! Give Fishy a break. His ideology is once again being used as toilet paper and he expected riots in the streets when Obamacare went live. Ol' fishbreath hasn't had a good week this week.

[unofan]

Any individual or organization receiving transfer payment or grant money from the government, yes.

So essentially the entire country, then. Between Medicare, social security, Medicaid, mortgage interest deduction, student loan subsidies and forgiveness, research grants, corporate subsidies, farm subsidies, and traditional welfare, pretty much everyone's on the dole in one form or another.

[unofan]

Like the members of Congress who make $174,000 annually yet were unwilling to comply with that section of PPACA that required them to live under the same rules as anyone else who is forced to acquire coverage through state / federal exchanges? you seemed eager to defend them receiving a continued subsidy even though their income levels are too high to qualify for subsidized coverage.

i guess consistency is not your strong suit, eh?

You mean like the employees of Walgreens who are similarly being subsidized by their employer? Which you posted literally one day before you first brought up this talking point?

I'll take old pio's acerbic nature over your disingenuity any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Any individual or organization receiving transfer payment or grant money from the government, yes.

So basically, everyone is on the dole at one time or another.

[St. Clown]

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Just curious. Do you also consider Exxon on the dole? Lockheed? ADM? Monsanto? Am I on the dole? Who do you consider to be "on the dole"?

Any individual or organization receiving transfer payment or grant money from the government, yes.

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There is a far better way to accomplish the desired ends.

Death panels?