The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[FreshFish]

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Coincidence?

If you have any questions about ObamaCare, prepare to get screwed.

The toll-free number for the government’s help line contains the surprising secret insult: F–KYO.

It’s visible when using an alpha-numeric keypad to dial 1-800-318-2596. Just check the last seven digits (except for the number 1, which has no corresponding letter).

[Old Pio]

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Yeah, no kidding. Sorry everyone I guess I'm a ****ing freeloader. Where the **** is my food stamps etc? I should be getting as much as everyone else. In fact I want my unemployment insurance even though I'm working.

God this conversation is stupid.

Yes, and as usual you're in it up to your lips. Quelle surprise.

[Old Pio]

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You're twisting everything I just said. Scooby stated that he's paid for his services through taxes paid. That's simply not the case, he's being subsidized by the government, the same way most of us are. I'm simply pointing it out as a lot of people wrongly believe, like Scooby, that they're free and clear of all government subsidies.

I seem to recall that during the "Veetnam" war, Joan Baez thought it would be appropriate for her to withhold from her payment to the IRS, that portion which supported DOD. Ultimately, someone from the IRS showed her the menus at Leavenworth, and she relented. Or something.

[jerphisch]

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wow, can you provide any evidence to support this assertion? You've never heard of the term "experience rated?" are you honestly going to try to maintain that a pool of 30-year old construction workers are charged the same rate as a pool of 30-year old office workers, despite the greater risk of injury for the former vs the latter?


Based on your quote, you also are saying that people who live in New York City have the same premium rates as people who live in Cheyenne, Wyoming? even though hospitals and doctors in the former are considerably more expensive than they are in the latter? I mean, part of a risk profile are costs incurred, yet if employer-provided insurance is not priced based on risk profile, why then does employer-sponsored insurance have higher premiums in locations where medical expenses are higher?


It sounds like you don't have much actual practical experience in health insurance, just a lot of opinions about how you think it operates.

I'm not sure what reality you live in, but it sounds like a neat place. I'd love to see examples of companies that form a neat and tidy pool of 30 year old construction workers or office workers. Of course, that place doesnt exist, since a construction company still has office staff that may be paying rates that are more geared to construction workers, and both groups of those workers will undoubtedly range in age over different risk groups. And that is my point, you are complaining that young people get screwed by Obamacare, which is no different than the current system. Young people already get screwed when they work with old people, office workers get screwed when they work in a construction field etc. Go ahead and explain to me now how I am wrong about something else I never said rather than trying to explain your initial position of young people get screwed by Obamacare.

[St. Clown]

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So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.

You're twisting everything I just said. Scooby stated that he's paid for his services through taxes paid. That's simply not the case, he's being subsidized by the government, the same way most of us are. I'm simply pointing it out as a lot of people wrongly believe, like Scooby, that they're free and clear of all government subsidies.

[ScoobyDoo]

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So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.

Yeah, no kidding. Sorry everyone I guess I'm a ****ing freeloader. Where the **** is my food stamps etc? I should be getting as much as everyone else. In fact I want my unemployment insurance even though I'm working.

God this conversation is stupid.

[unofan]

No, that's not at all what I mean. Employees of Walgreens are not required by statute to acquire insurance through public exchanges. Members of Congress and their staff are. They didn't like the consequences of the law they passed, and rather than revise it, they try to weasel out by subterfuge instead.

So you also surrender intellectual consistency at the altar of defend your Master from any and all criticism, eh? I thought you were a lawyer. I guess they teach utter disrespect for the law in law school these days, is that it?

As you say, the law requires them to get insurance on the exchanges. No where does it say the government can or cannot subsidize it as their employer like it did their previous insurance or like the majority of the 80% of Americans who get insurance thru the workplace. In the absence of specific statutory language, the executive branch is allowed to issue regulations consist with the law. The code of federal regulations is just as much valid law as the us code.

Additionally, if the law says what you and your chain email forwarding ilk think it says, the Vitter Amendment would be unnecessary and duplicative. Since courts presume congress would not pass (or attempt to pass, in this case) meaningless laws, the law must not be as you claim. Otherwise why would the Vitter Amendment be required?

[FreshFish]

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So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.

so that you personally can kill all the terrorists who show up at your doorstep once the army stops killing them overseas?

[FreshFish]

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Employer provided insurance does not pool people together based on their risk profile, period.

wow, can you provide any evidence to support this assertion? You've never heard of the term "experience rated?" are you honestly going to try to maintain that a pool of 30-year old construction workers are charged the same rate as a pool of 30-year old office workers, despite the greater risk of injury for the former vs the latter?


Based on your quote, you also are saying that people who live in New York City have the same premium rates as people who live in Cheyenne, Wyoming? even though hospitals and doctors in the former are considerably more expensive than they are in the latter? I mean, part of a risk profile are costs incurred, yet if employer-provided insurance is not priced based on risk profile, why then does employer-sponsored insurance have higher premiums in locations where medical expenses are higher?


It sounds like you don't have much actual practical experience in health insurance, just a lot of opinions about how you think it operates.

[FreshFish]

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You mean like the employees of Walgreens who are similarly being subsidized by their employer?

No, that's not at all what I mean. Employees of Walgreens are not required by statute to acquire insurance through public exchanges. Members of Congress and their staff are. They didn't like the consequences of the law they passed, and rather than revise it, they try to weasel out by subterfuge instead.

So you also surrender intellectual consistency at the altar of defend your Master from any and all criticism, eh? I thought you were a lawyer. I guess they teach utter disrespect for the law in law school these days, is that it?

[FreshFish]

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So basically, everyone is on the dole at one time or another.

Isn't that the essence of the Double-Secret Grand Master Plan? "You get this so I can get that so that everyone gets something so that career politicians collectively become entrenched in office forever?"

[FreshFish]

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Death panels?

i said "better" not "ruthlessly cost-effective."

So we only pay taxes for what we personally use? Awesome! I assume the Army will deliver the tank they've been holding for me.

[LynahFan]

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You would need to earn an exceptional income to have your personal taxes pay for all of your childrens' educations, the tax payer portion of your college degree, and every other service that's publicly funded that you've received throughout your life.

ETA: And with the Federal government borrowing 40% of all it spends, your taxes are nowhere near paying for all the services you consume. And the same could be said for a number of state and local governments, too.

It borrows 40%, and an additional 36% (60% of the 60% it collects) comes from taxpayers making more than $160K per year. Which is to say that the contributions from us "normal folk" only cover about 24% of total federal expenditures.

[Rover]

Close to it, yeah. Although I'd debate the mortgage interest deduction as it's a tax deduction, not a transfer payment or grant. And your list goes to show just how insidious it all is. There are majore economic impacts to all of these things because of government involvement and yet it's not really needed. Even the mortgage deduction impacts mortgage rates, acting as a price support for mortgage companies, so they can charge higher rates because people know they'll get some of their money back when filing taxes.

I always say conservatives should run on a platform of eliminating Social Security and Medicare. Let the voters decide! Any takers? Mr Paul...Mr Cruz...anybody?