The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[Rover]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Even a right wing publication is forced to admit health care costs are slowing.

http://theweek.com/article/index/246...vive-obamacare

What are cons going to do when implementation happens and people don't actually resort to cannibalism?

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Even a right wing publication is forced to admit health care costs are slowing.

http://theweek.com/article/index/246...vive-obamacare

What are cons going to do when implementation happens and people don't actually resort to cannibalism?

Old Pio resorts to it anyway and eats you.

[Rover]

Old Pio resorts to it anyway and eats you.

Phew, its a good thing he doesn't have any teeth left!

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Phew, its a good thing he doesn't have any teeth left!

Dentures can handle you. If all huff-and-puffers are built the same way, you'll be easy to chew up, as Schumer's about as physically strong as a piece of paper.

[St. Clown]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Even a right wing publication is forced to admit health care costs are slowing.

http://theweek.com/article/index/246...vive-obamacare

What are cons going to do when implementation happens and people don't actually resort to cannibalism?

The insurance mandate, and subsidized insurance plans have not yet gone into effect. It's still way too early to go tooting your own horn, or to be lip-locked around the president's horn either. Let's see how things look in 2016.

Oh, and nobody's interested in Congress trying to vote themselves out of the Obamacare plan that was originally mandated as part of the law during its passage? How odd for them to want out of the required, subsidized service of such a great product.

[FlagDUDE08]

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The insurance mandate, and subsidized insurance plans have not yet gone into effect. It's still way too early to go tooting your own horn, or to be lip-locked around the president's horn either. Let's see how things look in 2016.

Oh, and nobody's interested in Congress trying to vote themselves out of the Obamacare plan that was originally mandated as part of the law during its passage? How odd for them to want out of the required, subsidized service of such a great product.

I thought they voted themselves out of it in 2010?

[St. Clown]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

I thought they voted themselves out of it in 2010?

I hadn't been following that bit of it, but my SIL was telling me that they're trying to go through that vote now. Whichever the case may be, the point still stands.

[FlagDUDE08]

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I hadn't been following that bit of it, but my SIL was telling me that they're trying to go through that vote now. Whichever the case may be, the point still stands.

Probably because there's a new crew in place.

[FreshFish]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Even a right wing publication is forced to admit health care costs are slowing.

http://theweek.com/article/index/246...vive-obamacare

apparently you didn't actually read the article, or perhaps you merely overlooked the fallacy?


One factor cited for slowing "costs" is a move by employers to offer plans with higher deductibles and more co-insurance. that's not a reduction in cost, it is a shift in cost between what they measured (reported employer outlaw) and what they did not include as part of the total (increase in expenditures by employees).

So I measure one thing, say it is going down because something else is going up, then I exclude the part that is going up from my story, and then report that as a "slowing" in healthcare. Nice trick.

[St. Clown]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

apparently you didn't actually read the article, or perhaps you merely overlooked the fallacy?


One factor cited for slowing "costs" is a move by employers to offer plans with higher deductibles and more co-insurance. that's not a reduction in cost, it is a shift in cost between what they measured (reported employer outlaw) and what they did not include as part of the total (increase in expenditures by employees).

So I measure one thing, say it is going down because something else is going up, then I exclude the part that is going up from my story, and then report that as a "slowing" in healthcare. Nice trick.

I admit that I didn't read the article, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense just from my position. This is the first time I've ever hit the out-of-pocket max in a year. How will the system handle the load of people like me who increasingly hit their annual out-of-pocket max and then decide to take advantage of all the now "free" healthcare they have available to them? One surgery and I was there. Add to that, I have a few things that have nagged me but I never wanted to spend the money as they're very minor. A lot of people I know are now telling me to do it because it's "free".

[Rover]

apparently you didn't actually read the article, or perhaps you merely overlooked the fallacy?


One factor cited for slowing "costs" is a move by employers to offer plans with higher deductibles and more co-insurance. that's not a reduction in cost, it is a shift in cost between what they measured (reported employer outlaw) and what they did not include as part of the total (increase in expenditures by employees).

So I measure one thing, say it is going down because something else is going up, then I exclude the part that is going up from my story, and then report that as a "slowing" in healthcare. Nice trick.

I read it all. I also posted because it has links to other good info. Unlike yourself, I have no problem posting articles that aren't puff pieces advocating a particular issues. That's why I have the thing you crave most: credibility!

But to answer your question, a big cost driver of health care as I think you'll agree is needless procedures. I recall a dentist visit this year where the guy (who does a great job mind you) took 5 x-rays of my mouth during the yearly check up. While I have a big mouth, its not that big. Two ought to get it done. When he checked my insurance, and found they wouldn't cover that many, he only charged me for a couple of them.

Better management of patient care is the crux of Obamacare and its why the concept of shared responsiblity is enshrined in the law. Everybody needs to do a better job and this helps all that get there.

I admit that I didn't read the article, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense just from my position. This is the first time I've ever hit the out-of-pocket max in a year. How will the system handle the load of people like me who increasingly hit their annual out-of-pocket max and then decide to take advantage of all the now "free" healthcare they have available to them? One surgery and I was there. Add to that, I have a few things that have nagged me but I never wanted to spend the money as they're very minor. A lot of people I know are now telling me to do it because it's "free".

You plan on having major surgery every year? Okay... Regarding chronic injuries you need to get them treated. It'll cost more for you to stay in pain, and treat the symptoms of that pain (drugs, therapy, etc) than it would if you just corrected the problem.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

I read it all. I also posted because it has links to other good info. Unlike yourself, I have no problem posting articles that aren't puff pieces advocating a particular issues. That's why I have the thing you crave most: credibility!

But to answer your question, a big cost driver of health care as I think you'll agree is needless procedures. I recall a dentist visit this year where the guy (who does a great job mind you) took 5 x-rays of my mouth during the yearly check up. While I have a big mouth, its not that big. Two ought to get it done. When he checked my insurance, and found they wouldn't cover that many, he only charged me for a couple of them.

Better management of patient care is the crux of Obamacare and its why the concept of shared responsiblity is enshrined in the law. Everybody needs to do a better job and this helps all that get there.



You plan on having major surgery every year? Okay... Regarding chronic injuries you need to get them treated. It'll cost more for you to stay in pain, and treat the symptoms of that pain (drugs, therapy, etc) than it would if you just corrected the problem.

You having credibility is like saying Rosie O'Donnell is thin.

As for the needless procedures...

[Rover]

You having credibility is like saying Rosie O'Donnell is thin.

Oh please Flaggy. If Rosie O'Donnell was a conservative all you hard up righties would have the hots for her.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Oh please Flaggy. If Rosie O'Donnell was a conservative all you hard up righties would have the hots for her.

Oh right, like Greta Van Susteren is causing uncontrollable urges...

[joecct]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

Two opposing views from Rover's citation....

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...-bolt-n1631696
http://washingtonexaminer.com/rhode-...rticle/2532566

Nobody knows what's going to happen when PPACA is fully implemented. I do not think it's going to be good, others paint a rosie(r) picture.