The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[Patman]

Fishbreath, once again you're busted. People are "losing" crappy health plans that don't meet minimum coverage requirements. For example if you had insurance that only covered you if you lost a body part, the ACA will inform your carrier that charging for such minimal coverage is not legal so stop offering the plan. Most likely these people will obtain more coverage for the same price or less out on the exchanges.

Is that a fact or an article of faith?

[ScoobyDoo]

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I find this the most peculiar thing about Health Care in the United States.

1. The Conservative party in the US finds the "payment" part of the law the part they hate the most and want overturned.
2. The last Health Care law passed at the Federal Level by the Conservative party had no payment provision whatsoever.

Bottom line? Obama was better off just passing an expansion of Medicaid, CHIPS, a preexisting condition mandate, and a "cover your kids till 26" mandate and NOT paid for it all just added it to the debt. It would have passed and no one would even be talking about it right now.

[walrus]

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But if you are happy with your current coverage and policy you can keep it! If you want to keep the same doctor for your care, you can! I know this to be true because my president told me so several times on the various media. I will just now ignore the letter from Horizon BC of NJ that my wife received telling her that her policy will not be renewed this coming year because it does not include all the regualtions of the ACA. I am sure that when they do get around to offering us a new policy that the coverage will most certainly not be the same or better and that the out of pocket cost for deductible and copayments will likewise not be what we had before. My wife and I have been in the medicine for almost 45 years. We have dealt with the insurance coverage/medicare/medicaid/ etc for all of that time. I think we are in the rathe unique position of understand what the ramifications of this is going to be. The non functioning web site is the least of my problem with this entire fiasco.

It was Obamas signature legislation and he had no clue what was in it. He stood up and lied just like the rest, but no sticky

[DrDemento]

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Oops the ACA website is down completely

But if you are happy with your current coverage and policy you can keep it! If you want to keep the same doctor for your care, you can! I know this to be true because my president told me so several times on the various media. I will just now ignore the letter from Horizon BC of NJ that my wife received telling her that her policy will not be renewed this coming year because it does not include all the regualtions of the ACA. I am sure that when they do get around to offering us a new policy that the coverage will most certainly not be the same or better and that the out of pocket cost for deductible and copayments will likewise not be what we had before. My wife and I have been in the medicine for almost 45 years. We have dealt with the insurance coverage/medicare/medicaid/ etc for all of that time. I think we are in the rathe unique position of understand what the ramifications of this is going to be. The non functioning web site is the least of my problem with this entire fiasco.

[walrus]

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Oops the ACA website is down completely

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Walrus gets an F for not recognizing the Naked Gun reference.

I even put quotation marks around it!

[Rover]

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Is there anything you won't be obnoxious about?

Walrus gets an F for not recognizing the Naked Gun reference.

Fishy, your slavish devotion to right wing talking points is amusing if a bit trite, but Democrats have always indicated a willingness to adjust whatever needs adjusting. Think about it - don't you knuckledraggers complain whenever Obama adjusts a deadline? Doesn't that adjusting prove the point? Or are we suspending logic here in order to have a conversation with you?

[FreshFish]

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"We won't allow the Republicans to shut down the government over Obamacare," claimed the Democrats. "We'll wait until after the debt ceiling bill is passed, and then we'll turn on Obamacare ourselves without any prompting."

[Jeanne Shaheen, ]The [Democrat] New Hampshire senator fundamentally altered the health-care fight on Tuesday with a letter to the White House demanding it both extend the ObamaCare enrollment deadline and waive tax penalties for those unable to enroll. Within nanoseconds, Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor had endorsed her "common-sense idea." By Wednesday night, five Senate Democrats were on board.

In the Senate, West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin is working on legislation to delay the individual mandate's enforcement for a year. CNN reports that all 16 Senate Democrats up for re-election are expected to support Ms. Shaheen's proposal. In the House, Democratic members are stacking up behind all of these ideas.

Even House liberals have felt it necessary to reassure voters that they, too, are angry—though so far they are merely calling for scalps. "I'd like to see somebody lose their job over this. I think it's outrageous," complained New York Rep. Sean Maloney. "Somebody's got to man up here—get rid of these people," said Minnesota's Rick Nolan.

a numerically significant number of Senate Democrats have, on their own, signaled that it is acceptable for members of the president's party to demand consequential ObamaCare changes.

The pressure for other Democrats to join will rise, as will the pressure for the party to embrace more extensive changes to the law. Even before the ObamaCare rollout, Mr. Pryor and North Carolina's Kay Hagan had co-sponsored legislation to kill ObamaCare's rationing board (the House version has 23 Democratic co-sponsors). Alaska Sen. Mark Begich had introduced a bill to delay the business mandate for two years. There is bipartisan opposition to the medical-device tax, to the ObamaCare slush fund and to the IRS's central role in coordinating the law.

These are all Democrats talking here, none of them are those crazy wild-eyed bomb-throwing Republicans.

Right, we merely need to tweak a few glitches.....

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm not advocating for anything, I believe ACA is a joke, set up by lobbyists to make money for their masters.

Yeah, probably. But no where near as bad as Medicare Prescription D was. And the supposed conservative party passed that with flying colors.

[FlagDUDE08]

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Is there anything you won't complain about?

"Hey! You call this slop? Real slop has got chunks of things in it! This is more like gruel! And this Château le Blanc '68 is supposed to be served slightly chilled! This is room temperature! What do you think we are? Animals?"

Please, sir, I want some more.

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Should I check with you before posting from now on? Having your approval means so much to me.

Obviously.

[walrus]

I'm rarely obnoxious, but you are constantly *****ing about pretty much anything whether it's on political threads or hockey threads or Patriots threads. You might be happier if you posted about things that made you happy, if such a thing exists.

Should I check with you before posting from now on? Having your approval means so much to me.

[FreshFish]

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I believe ACA is a joke, set up by lobbyists to make money for their masters.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to walrus again.

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Is there anything you won't be obnoxious about?

I'm rarely obnoxious, but you are constantly *****ing about pretty much anything whether it's on political threads or hockey threads or Patriots threads. You might be happier if you posted about things that made you happy, if such a thing exists.

[walrus]

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Is there anything you won't complain about?

"Hey! You call this slop? Real slop has got chunks of things in it! This is more like gruel! And this Château le Blanc '68 is supposed to be served slightly chilled! This is room temperature! What do you think we are? Animals?"

Is there anything you won't be obnoxious about?