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  • #136
    Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    Is there any plausible explanation other than voter fraud?
    Someone hacking the voting machines.

    (Granted, if they did, they'd certainly want to avoid a red flag like more total votes than registered voters, but on the other hand, as your post shows, it could be a stunningly audacious ploy that would count on the lock-step "voter fraud" chorus, especially since they would be predisposed to believe it to give some evidence underlying the ID laws.)

    If not for the consequences of being caught, I think it would be illuminating to hack the vote somewhere in a completely absurd manner. e.g. give Romney a 1,000,000,000 to 0 win over Obama in a precinct.
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    • #137
      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
      You're not supposed to be able to vote in any precinct unless you are already on the registration rolls (or do same-day registration). In either case, your explanation does not work: the question remains, how can you have more votes cast than there are registered voters, absent vote fraud? *


      * Question rephrased thanks to jerphisch's perceptive observation...though I suppose one could argue that voter ID law won't prevent this kind of fraud.

      Funny, people have to show ID in order to register to vote, you know...why not just provide the voter ID card at registration? Anyone who's ever been to a local AAA office knows how quickly and easily one can obtain a picture ID.



      it was not uncommon in Chicago in certain precincts in the 1960s for the ballot box to contain pre-marked ballots at the outset of the voting day. Allegations of something similar happened in Bridgeport CT in 2010; several of the polling places "ran out" of ballots during the day and they brought in some more in the evening..."don't worry about how to fill out the ballot; we've already taken care of that for you."
      You need to tell that to both the judge and the governor of PA because the difficulty in obtaining a picture ID is why 1) a judge delayed the law, and 2) PA gubmint has decided in the last week to up their efforts in getting people an ID, realizing that prior efforts weren't getting the job done.

      While in theory ID's are available, making 90 year olds wait at the DMV for four hours because the state didn't staff them enough to handle the volume is a problem, especially with upcoming deadlines to register, etc.
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      • #138
        Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

        The lower court in PA decides to delay roll-out of the ID law until after the election.

        Unfortunately, the judge also ruled that the ads telling people that ID will be required can continue to run. So the speculation is that will keep people without ID away, even though they can legally vote.

        Hmmm. How soon till we can toss Corbett out on his ***?
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        • #139
          Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

          Originally posted by Craig P. View Post
          If not for the consequences of being caught, I think it would be illuminating to hack the vote somewhere in a completely absurd manner. e.g. give Romney a 1,000,000,000 to 0 win over Obama in a precinct.
          I'm surprised somebody like Anonymous hasn't done this already.

          RCP NTU moves NC back to Romney.

          On the Senate RCP has been relentlessly moving to the Dems. The NTU is still 52-48, where's it's been for three weeks, but the "all but TU" map now reads 47-43, with the 10 toss-ups almost evenly divided (6 D, 4 R). A big wave could move the Senate as far as 53-47 Republican or 57-43 Democratic. That's a huge number of contested races this close to Election Day.
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          • #140
            Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

            "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Oh, yeah? Well fook him and fook you!

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            • #141
              Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

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              • #142
                Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                Originally posted by geezer View Post
                Political Kombat.

                That's great!

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                • #143
                  Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                  Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                  Funny, people have to show ID in order to register to vote, you know...why not just provide the voter ID card at registration? Anyone who's ever been to a local AAA office knows how quickly and easily one can obtain a picture ID.
                  AAA, student, credit cards, and other IDs are not acceptable under the new laws.

                  Also, you don't have to show ID to register in many states, merely proof of residence, such as a mortgage, a utility bill, etc. Most people will show an ID, but there are other forms that are acceptable.

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                  • #144
                    Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                    MO moves from Leans Romney to Toss-up. I can't believe the Romney-Akin juggernaut hasn't closed the deal.
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                    • #145
                      Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                      Bull****. If Missouri is within half a dozen points on election day, I'll be stunned.
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                      • #146
                        Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
                        Bull****. If Missouri is within half a dozen points on election day, I'll be stunned.
                        I will be too, but polling is polling.
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                        • #147
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                          As always, numbers are meaningless, trends are not.
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                          • #148
                            Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                            Originally posted by unofan View Post
                            AAA, student, credit cards, and other IDs are not acceptable under the new laws.

                            Also, you don't have to show ID to register in many states, merely proof of residence, such as a mortgage, a utility bill, etc. Most people will show an ID, but there are other forms that are acceptable.
                            It seems there is plenty of room for reasonable compromise here. The perception in some quarters, which seems reasonable to me, is that there are indisputable instances of election fraud. Even if it is not "widespread," if people feel strongly that their votes are being diluted unfairly, we have a problem.

                            Set aside "my team" vs "their team" for a moment, and think big picture...aren't we all better off feeling like someone won "fair and square"?

                            even if the incidents are isolated, they resonate. Excise the extremes for a moment. Set aside the "deliberate attempt to disenfranchise" nonsense for a little while and be rational. It seems we all agree every US citizen has the right to vote...at most once.
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                            • #149
                              Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              I will be too, but polling is polling.
                              I saw a headline today where something like 43% of people disagree with you. Did not read on to find out if those are all the 43% of the people that are reality-denying Republicans still imagining a miracle upset. But basically they think the polls are not polls, but made up crap.
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                              • #150
                                Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

                                Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                                ...aren't we all better off feeling like someone won "fair and square"?
                                Sure, but why does the cure for the GOP perception that there's voter fraud involve the potential disenfranchising of lots of minority and poor voters? That's still trading one perceived problem for another.

                                Is it better to risk fraud to make sure every citizen gets to vote? Or is it better to curtail fraud at the risk of legitimate voters being denied their rights?

                                It's no different than people's perceptions of the criminal justice system. Is it better to let 1000 guilty men go free to make sure an innocent man stays out of prison? Or do we trample the rights of the innocent to make sure the guilty stay locked up?

                                It's a philosophical difference, and you won't convince me that the problem of fraud - real or perceived - is anywhere near severe enough to warrant the proposed solutions.
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