The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

[FlagDUDE08]

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At least someone is valiantly fighting for free speech over here.

Yet they'll fight to establish the religion of secularism: the absence of religion.

[FreshFish]

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setting aside snark for a time, it seems we are again learning something anew that we shouldn't have forgotten from the last time. There are people in this world who have an implacable hatred for us and all we stand for, and they cannot be appeased by anything other than our enslavement or annihilation.

there is no negotiating with people like that.

I knew someone who had a solution to hostage-taking that would definitely work, though I doubt very many people actually would ever implement it: when hostages are taken, you hold a memorial service in their honor. It gave me the chills to hear how matter-of-fact he was about it.

As others have already pointed out, no one takes Russian hostages, no one takes Chinese hostages.

[Rover]

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As others have already pointed out, no one takes Russian hostages, no one takes Chinese hostages.

*** are you talking about? Ever heard of Chechnya? Or China having to rescue its people from Somali pirates?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...86H02B20120718

[FreshFish]

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A Muslim-American speaks out:

During the 800 years of Muslim ascendancy beginning in the eighth century—in Southern Europe, North Africa and much of Western Asia—Muslims did not riot to protest non-Muslim insults against Islam or its prophet. There is no historic record of random attacks against non-Muslim targets in retaliation for a non-Muslim insulting Prophet Muhammad, though there are many books derogatory toward Islam's prophet that were written in the era of Islam's great empires. Muslims under Turkey's Ottomans, for example, did not attack non-Muslim envoys (the medieval equivalent of today's embassies) or churches upon hearing of real or rumored European sacrilege against their religion.

Clearly, then, violent responses to perceived injury are not integral to Islam. A religion is what its followers make it, and Muslims opting for violence have chosen to paint their faith as one that is prone to anger. Frustration with their inability to succeed in the competition between nations also has led some Muslims to seek symbolic victories.

Yet the momentary triumph of burning another country's flag or setting on fire a Western business or embassy building is a poor but widespread substitute for global success that eludes the modern world's 1.5 billion Muslims. Violent protest represents the lower rung of the ladder of rage; terrorism is its higher form.

Islamists almost by definition have a vested interest in continuously fanning the flames of Muslim victimhood. For Islamists, wrath against the West is the basis for their claim to the support of Muslim masses, taking attention away from societal political and economic failures. For example, the 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Conference account for one-fifth of the world's population but their combined gross domestic product is less than 7% of global output—a harsh reality for which Islamists offer no solution.

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the U.S. would do well to remember Osama bin Laden's comment not long after the Sept. 11 attacks: "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse." America should do nothing that enables Islamists to portray the nation as the weak horse.

[Timothy A]

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Have you seen Passion? Critics accurately call it a two hour snuff film that has the intended outcome of inciting rage to an effect that is diametrically opposed to what Jesus stood for. Any Christian organization with a conscience should condemn that film.

I haven't seen it, but others who have said it is very moving and drives home the point that Jesus paid for our sins in a very very human way.

[Bob Gray]

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I haven't seen it, but others who have said it is very moving and drives home the point that Jesus paid for our sins in a very very human way.

I've seen it and you are correct. It's very moving and hard to watch at times due to certain graphic depictions. Can't imagine why people would think it's meant to incite rage. Far from it.

[FlagDUDE08]

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I've seen it and you are correct. It's very moving and hard to watch at times due to certain graphic depictions. Can't imagine why people would think it's meant to incite rage. Far from it.

It'd only incite rage if your name is Eric Cartman.

[5mn_Major]

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I haven't seen it, but others who have said it is very moving and drives home the point that Jesus paid for our sins in a very very human way.

You should see it then. I likened the experience to having a full glass of straight whiskey.

Just for comparison the Hunger Games and movies like Black Knight Rising are PG13. The later where both the city DA and Batman's girlfriend were tied to explosives and police had to choose who to save (Batman's GF was summarily blown up). Well, Passion is rated a much stiffer R strictly on violence and earns every bloody bit.

It incited alot of anger...and also deserved every bit. Another stupid movie in its own right.

[Bob Gray]

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You should see it then. I likened the experience to having a full glass of straight whiskey.

Just for comparison the Hunger Games and movies like Black Knight Rising are PG13. The later where both the city DA and Batman's girlfriend were tied to explosives and police had to choose who to save (Batman's GF was summarily blown up). Well, Passion is rated a much stiffer R strictly on violence and earns every bloody bit.

It incited alot of anger...and also deserved every bit. Another stupid movie in its own right.

I wouldn't expect you to appreciate or understand it. Thankfully most folks don't have your extreme views.

[geezer]

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there's a fundy sucker born every minute either in Algeria or Alabama.

Because American people who are conservative are basically The Taliban. They're the same thing right? Plus I'm betting they (the American ones especially) want to start a "War Against Women" because they probably hate women right?

[Kepler]

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Our extremists don't blow up buildings because 500 years of secularism has toned down the fanaticism of religion in the West. Islamic extremists are the reductio ad absurdum of what our Santorums would wish upon us: a return to the "good old days."

Christianity already had its 16th century. We learned that tolerance and separation of church and state are requirements for a free society. That's what keeps our nutbars from strapping on the suicide vests and waddling into Bryant–Denny Stadium.

Anything that erodes that and begins a backslide towards literal religious fundamentalism is a danger to civilization.

Religion's great as long as you remember it's a metaphor. When you start heading into butterfly net territory, you're on the road to the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre.

[Bob Gray]

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Because American people who are conservative are basically The Taliban. They're the same thing right? Plus I'm betting they (the American ones especially) want to start a "War Against Women" because they probably hate women right?

Yup, that's some of the smear campaign that goes on. It's easy to attack your opponents when you dehumanize them first.

[FreshFish]

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So far, I find myself wishing that we had a more direct and forceful response.

Where is the reminder that US forces saved Muslim lives in Bosnia and Kurdistan?

Why is the US government even talking about the movie at all?* The US government didn't make it and the US government cant' do anything about it; so why even mention it?

Where is the reminder that the safety of diplomatic personnel is one of the greatest tools to prevent war ever developed by civilized people?

Where is the reminder that ordinary everyday Egyptians depend upon tourism for their daily living, and that they all need to stop and take a deep breath and get their priorities straight?

and finally, where is the statement in which we say "we know that a small group of organized militants are using these demonstrations as cover for acts of war against the US; and since we assume that the governments of these countries are not at war with us, they'd welcome our help sending in forces to help them track down these murderers and bring them to justice." ?


[hint: sometimes by suggesting something, you make the action itself unnecessary: note that I am NOT advocating we actually send forces, I'm saying that the threat of forces will spur the governments to act, thereby making it unnecessary for us actually to do anything directly ourselves]


* (I don't mean the initial statement from the people about to be under siege in the Egyptian embassy; their statement at the outset seemed to me a creative way to try to save their own lives and I'm fine with that; I mean the follow up statements).

[Kepler]

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Yup, that's some of the smear campaign that goes on. It's easy to attack your opponents when you dehumanize them first.

Do tell.

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[Bob Gray]

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Do tell.

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