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  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

    Originally posted by Old Pio View Post
    Denial, it seems, really is a river in Egypt.
    Once again:

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    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

      Originally posted by unofan View Post
      Once again:

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      Tell that to Dan Rather and Mary Mapes.
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      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        Which was still 13%. It's not about begrudging his successes (more power to him) but that rate sticks a craw in many and for good reason. Why is that any criticism of that no matter how logical is so routinely rebutted with pure nonsense?

        [edit] From Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...omney-20120829
        I read 14.1 % but whatever
        Whats pure nonsense about Mitt following the letter of the law, I assume just like Obama did? Their accountants did their taxes getting them the least tax rate as they legally could. I don't pay any more than I have to, I doubt you do either, why should anyone else.
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        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

          Originally posted by walrus View Post
          I read 14.1 % but whatever
          Whats pure nonsense about Mitt following the letter of the law, I assume just like Obama did? Their accountants did their taxes getting them the least tax rate as they legally could. I don't pay any more than I have to, I doubt you do either, why should anyone else.
          Which is why most people want to change the rules. It's absolutely asinine that someone making 13 some million dollars pays a rate that low. Especially when the clear majority is capital gains, dividends, and otherwise not subject to FICA.

          If Romney had taken all of his allowed deductions (presuming he actually gave what his accountant says he gave to charity, which is admittedly a fairly big presumption), his effective tax rate would've been 9%. If you can't understand why people have a problem with that...

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          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

            Originally posted by unofan View Post
            Which is why most people want to change the rules. It's absolutely asinine that someone making 13 some million dollars pays a rate that low. Especially when the clear majority is capital gains, dividends, and otherwise not subject to FICA.

            If Romney had taken all of his allowed deductions (presuming he actually gave what his accountant says he gave to charity, which is admittedly a fairly big presumption), his effective tax rate would've been 9%. If you can't understand why people have a problem with that...
            Anbody who whines about Romney's tax rate and votes for his incumbent Congressmen is a hypocrite.
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            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

              Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
              To me, nothing is funnier than this belief the media has a liberal slant. The Republicans have refused to work with Obama for four years. They filibustered almost everything for the first two, convinced voters that the Democrats weren't getting it done, that Obama was to blame, that THEIR individual mandate idea was socialist, got the House back, and then sat on their hands for two years. There is a minuscule amount in the media about this absurdity. It's Obama's fault...because he didn't have enough votes to over-ride their obstinance. How dare he not have 60 percent to over-ride things.

              The media, on a whole, isn't liberal. MSNBC is unabashedly liberal.

              I swear, for the party of the elite, conservatives find a way to play the victim card fairly regularly. The media isn't out to get you. How dare the liberal media ask a candidate what books she reads, as he tries to humanize her by helping her connect with people who read books!
              How quickly we forget the filibusters and news hammerings from the mid-2000's...

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              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                Which is why most people want to change the rules. It's absolutely asinine that someone making 13 some million dollars pays a rate that low. Especially when the clear majority is capital gains, dividends, and otherwise not subject to FICA.

                If Romney had taken all of his allowed deductions (presuming he actually gave what his accountant says he gave to charity, which is admittedly a fairly big presumption), his effective tax rate would've been 9%. If you can't understand why people have a problem with that...
                And yet, he still pays a hell of a lot more than you.

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                • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  Which is why most people want to change the rules. It's absolutely asinine that someone making 13 some million dollars pays a rate that low. Especially when the clear majority is capital gains, dividends, and otherwise not subject to FICA.

                  If Romney had taken all of his allowed deductions (presuming he actually gave what his accountant says he gave to charity, which is admittedly a fairly big presumption), his effective tax rate would've been 9%. If you can't understand why people have a problem with that...
                  Are you saying you have any Indication whatsoever he didn't donate 13% of his income to charity? What's next, the wealthy don't donate their fair share either?

                  He paid millions in taxes. Instead of whining that he didn't pay enough why doesn't Obama do something about other people earning more? Or anything.

                  He has done a great job convincing people the issue is that wealthy people don't give them enough.
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                  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                    Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                    Anbody who whines about Romney's tax rate and votes for his incumbent Congressmen is a hypocrite.
                    I don't have a problem with Romney's particular tax situation.

                    I disagree with the low taxation of earnings from money...while heavily taxing true labor at all brackets. This is the case in the US today with long term cap gains tax vs. 1099 income. If this was not the case, both would probably be paying higher taxes.
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                    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                      Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                      I don't have a problem with Romney's particular tax situation.

                      I disagree with the low taxation of earnings from money...while heavily taxing true labor at all brackets. This is the case in the US today with long term cap gains tax vs. 1099 income. If this was not the case, both would probably be paying higher taxes.
                      One thing to remember, though, is that qualified dividend money is actually getting taxed twice, because it is subject to the corporate tax before it even reaches the possibility of a dividend. Once you total it up, it's actually being taxed much more than wage income.

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                      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                        Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                        I disagree with the low taxation of earnings from money...while heavily taxing true labor at all brackets.
                        Another liberal explains why this is done.
                        But this is definitely an issue where the conservative position is in line with what most experts think is the right course, and Democrats are outside the mainstream.
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                        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                          And yet, he still pays a hell of a lot more than you.
                          As a percentage, no he doesn't

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                          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

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                            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                              Originally posted by unofan View Post
                              As a percentage, no he doesn't
                              trust me, Romney could be paying a tiny, tiny percentage and it would STILL be a heck of a lot more than you pay. I was struck this week how far out of touch he is that a quarter million is nothing more than a feel-good rounding error on his taxes.
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                              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                                Originally posted by pirate View Post
                                Are you saying you have any Indication whatsoever he didn't donate 13% of his income to charity?
                                Other than his entire campaign being built on one lie after another?

                                Ok, admittedly Paul Ryan seems to be the pathological liar in the group, but let's just say I'm going to need more than Romney's accountant's word on what his actual charitable donations were. Especially since Romney previously said:

                                I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president.
                                http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...2#.UFyyJqRCW0V

                                So is he saying he's not qualified to become President? Or is his accountant misrepresenting how much he actually donated to charity? Or, behind door number 3, is this a political stunt and he'll be amending his return in, oh, 6 weeks to claim that extra deduction?
                                Last edited by unofan; 09-22-2012, 08:49 AM.

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