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  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    By now, you should realise that there's no such thing as a free lunch. You say that members of Congress have free health care, but it isn't truly free. It may be at no cost to them, but someone still has to pay for it. We do, unless you're part of the 48% of Americans that don't pay income taxes, or you're part of the large percentage of adults or able-to-work teenagers that don't pay medicare tax through payroll. Unless I placed a ring on that person's finger, or half of their body contains my DNA, I am not paying for their personal necessities or luxuries.
    Flag, you're preaching to the wrong people. Go into a firehouse in NYC and spread your anti-first responser gospel. See you when (if) you make it back.
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    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

      I just say let's be consistent. If we pull healthcare for folks like 9/11 responders...we should do likewise for military personel. Heros are heros.
      Go Gophers!

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      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
        By now, you should realise that there's no such thing as a free lunch. You say that members of Congress have free health care, but it isn't truly free. It may be at no cost to them, but someone still has to pay for it. We do, unless you're part of the 48% of Americans that don't pay income taxes, or you're part of the large percentage of adults or able-to-work teenagers that don't pay medicare tax through payroll. Unless I placed a ring on that person's finger, or half of their body contains my DNA, I am not paying for their personal necessities or luxuries.

        This may be your dumbest argument to date. And that would be saying something.


        Imagine had those guys said "NO! We're not going in there until we sit down and hammer out an agreement to protect ourselves from any possible harm that may result from us doing this job."

        They acted assuming the good faith of a nation to take care of them. And we are obligated, willingly I might add, to do just that.

        It's always convenient to wear a flag on your lapel until it's time to back that up with action.

        I keep seeing the wounded warrior project commercials and I'm thinking that maybe the government that sent these men and women into battle should take care of their rehab rather than private donors. I must be a socialist.

        Great post "FLAG" Dude!

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        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          Are you saying health care at the cost of anyone but them?
          No I am saying the people who ran into the buildings to save people should get their health care for free...especially considering many of them have lingering issues today. (up to and including cancer) Screw the partison bullcrap and raise the tax money to help these people. There is no excuse not to, none. In fact in my mind it is unpatriotic, certainly more than the crap both parties pretend is unpatriotic like flag pins.

          This should have never been an issue...that the media and people ignored it until the Daily Show spent a week ripping both sides of Congress for it (including having first reponders on now who cant get health care because of the illness they suffered) and that the GOP blocked it and the Dems were to spineless too fight for it shows this country and its "citizens" are all talk and no action. Bunch of frauds...
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          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

            Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
            I just say let's be consistent. If we pull healthcare for folks like 9/11 responders...we should do likewise for military personel. Heros are heros.
            We don't?
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            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
              I just say let's be consistent. If we pull healthcare for folks like 9/11 responders...we should do likewise for military personel. Heros are heros.
              Personally, I don't subscribe to the concept of heroism. Obviously all of these people, whether police, fire, military, or some other occupation, are professionally tasked to do a job and are offered a certain compensation in return. Sure, some occupations include clauses on hazard pay, pensions, disability insurance, and the like. I don't see any reason we should be giving a lifetime of special treatment beyond this to someone, especially forcing that deference down other people's throats, because they happened to be in a certain location at a certain time.

              This is not to say that we should force people to not give to them. If you feel a need to make a donation to their cause, then by all means, do it. If you, as a business, would like to offer free lodging to a veteran at your campsite that is at a national park, there's no reason that I should stop you. Heck, even I will make contributions to certain groups that I see fit. Those are my beliefs, but I'm not going to push them onto everyone, because freedom truly is a two-way street.

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              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                Personally, I don't subscribe to the concept of heroism.
                Small wonder why.
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                • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                  I overheard someone ask an excellent question on the radio: In his convention speech, Obama said something about hiring 100,000 more math / science teachers (of course, we all know local school districts do that, not the feds... ). Anyway, the question was, "who are they going to teach?" Apparently there are declining student populations in many areas.
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                  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                    I overheard someone ask an excellent question on the radio: In his convention speech, Obama said something about hiring 100,000 more math / science teachers (of course, we all know local school districts do that, not the feds... ). Anyway, the question was, "who are they going to teach?" Apparently there are declining student populations in many areas.
                    The baby boomer kids have all graduated, so that isn't surprising that school populations are in decline. Also, if you're hiring new teachers, what are you doing with the old ones? On top of all of that, one thing that REALLY irks me is that it is rare that an elementary school teacher will have the ability or even desire to teach mathematical theories and physical sciences to the children, so you have loads of teachers doing remedial classes and minimal students taking upper level courses. If you want to go all Eisenhower on us, you have to start at the bottom.

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                    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                      Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                      The baby boomer kids have all graduated, so that isn't surprising that school populations are in decline. Also, if you're hiring new teachers, what are you doing with the old ones? On top of all of that, one thing that REALLY irks me is that it is rare that an elementary school teacher will have the ability or even desire to teach mathematical theories and physical sciences to the children, so you have loads of teachers doing remedial classes and minimal students taking upper level courses. If you want to go all Eisenhower on us, you have to start at the bottom.
                      Better yet, who's going to pay for them?

                      I know. When they say "It's for the children", it's supposed to get every taxpayer to open up the wallet and empty its contents. Sorry -- we've thrown enough money at a ton of problems (poverty, drugs, education) and it has not changed the situation one iota.

                      The taxpayers have to demand a bang for the buck. I'm not seeing a lot of bang here. I want more bang!
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                      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Sorry -- we've thrown enough money at a ton of problems (poverty, drugs, education) and it has not changed the situation one iota.
                        On poverty and education you could not be more wrong -- those are two of the greatest ROIs we have ever had as a nation. Saying "we spent all this money on poverty and we still have poverty so that money was wasted" is the equivalent of saying "we spent all that money on medicine and we still have disease so medicine is a waste of money."

                        On drugs you've got no argument from me. That was always the stupidest of crusades and the sooner we end it the better.
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                        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                          Originally posted by joecct View Post
                          Better yet, who's going to pay for them?

                          I know. When they say "It's for the children", it's supposed to get every taxpayer to open up the wallet and empty its contents. Sorry -- we've thrown enough money at a ton of problems (poverty, drugs, education) and it has not changed the situation one iota.

                          The taxpayers have to demand a bang for the buck. I'm not seeing a lot of bang here. I want more bang!
                          There's easy solutions to the problems. Stop public education. There you go, problem solved. And it basically fits the Republican platform anyway. Same with poverty. If you stop the programs for the poor then the problems go away.
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                          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Better yet, who's going to pay for them?

                            I know. When they say "It's for the children", it's supposed to get every taxpayer to open up the wallet and empty its contents. Sorry -- we've thrown enough money at a ton of problems (poverty, drugs, education) and it has not changed the situation one iota.

                            The taxpayers have to demand a bang for the buck. I'm not seeing a lot of bang here. I want more bang!
                            Or, if you're going to spend the money on it, perhaps aim the shots instead of continuously firing money at the issue. The biggest issue with education is that those hired to deal with the problem are not looking at the big picture. Sometimes, in a 1000 step process, a problem occurring in step 692 is caused by an issue that occurred in step 8. This is the biggest problem with management and politicians. They have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the big picture.

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                            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                              The solution are those ribbon magnets for your car. There could be a different ribbon for each thing that needs public funding - education, health care, veterans, armor for humvees, first responders, planned parenthood (placenta red, of course), road construction, poverty...

                              That way we could each only contribute to the things that we want to support. Where we see fit.

                              Those $1.29 magnets would go a long way!
                              Last edited by Gurtholfin; 09-12-2012, 02:19 PM.

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                              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                There's easy solutions to the problems. Stop public education. There you go, problem solved. And it basically fits the Republican platform anyway. Same with poverty. If you stop the programs for the poor then the problems go away.
                                Scooby, you knee jerker, you!!

                                We've thrown trillions of federal dollars at education. Can you say that kids are better educated now than before the federal government got involved in education?
                                We've thrown trillions of federal dollars at combating poverty. Can you say that they've reduced poverty in any way shape or form?
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