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  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    As for Bin Laden, if Bush had done it they'd want money with his picture on it and to add him to Mount Rushmore somehow.
    You are absolutely, 100% right about this.

    But what would the Democrats have been saying about it?

    Just goes to show that where you stand depends almost entirely on which side of the aisle you're sitting.
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    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      It should have been a major part of the jobs plan to get that finished, and get the pipeline in. No brainers.
      At least we can agree on infrastructure. Actually, in another link I provided about Hyperion, it sounds like they want to build a major oil refinery in South Dakota, which would eliminate environmentalist Nebraska (which was the main proponent against Keystone) from the Keystone pipeline argument altogether. What's holding it up? Permits. Whether environmentalist or NIMBY related, it doesn't matter, because we won't hear until October about the ability to even start building the refinery (district court hearing), and then they have to rush the building of it in order to get it in before the permit runs out, to which there has been no extension granted. Welcome to the issue of single-point-of-failure governance.

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      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

        Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
        You are absolutely, 100% right about this.

        But what would the Democrats have been saying about it?

        Just goes to show that where you stand depends almost entirely on which side of the aisle you're sitting.
        Uh, the Democrats don't want Obama on money or Rushmore. The Repubs have been whining about Reagan getting on money for years.

        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
        At least we can agree on infrastructure. Actually, in another link I provided about Hyperion, it sounds like they want to build a major oil refinery in South Dakota, which would eliminate environmentalist Nebraska (which was the main proponent against Keystone) from the Keystone pipeline argument altogether. What's holding it up? Permits. Whether environmentalist or NIMBY related, it doesn't matter, because we won't hear until October about the ability to even start building the refinery (district court hearing), and then they have to rush the building of it in order to get it in before the permit runs out, to which there has been no extension granted. Welcome to the issue of single-point-of-failure governance.
        Permits are what politicians are for. They can grease the wheels.
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        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

          A large grain of truth?
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          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
            The oil business isn't a monopoly. Another company could very well build it and take money potential away from the competition.
            It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?

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            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
              Uh, the Democrats don't want Obama on money or Rushmore. The Repubs have been whining about Reagan getting on money for years.
              Yes, exactly. Because my point was definitely that if Bush had ordered the strike on OBL, Democrats would have wanted to put Obama on Mt. Rushmore... You're usually pretty good, but you missed this one.
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              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?
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                • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                  Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?
                  But they can make the ethanol additive!!
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                  • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                    Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    It may not be a monopoly, but there are huge barriers to entry which make it less than a perfectly competitive market. Or do you think any old mom and pop can open up a new oil refinery?
                    With enough capital and going through the proper zoning procedures, absolutely. What do you think Hyperion is doing?

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                    • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                      Heard more pathetic job numbers this morning. Romney should be winning by double digits by now. Good choice GOP.
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                      • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                        Heard more pathetic job numbers this morning. Romney should be winning by double digits by now. Good choice GOP.
                        Actually, while listening to America's Radio News (morning), they were talking about how Gary Johnson is now also stealing votes away from Obama. Perhaps the Libertarian party truly is looking to take shape, and could make some headwind. Will they win the Presidency in 2012? It's improbable (although not without possibility given he is on the ballot in 43 states), but it would not surprise me if both the House and the Senate started to pick up Libertarian candidates. The last time we had a great divide in this country, the Republican party came to be, albeit the Whigs were pretty much dead by then. It would not surprise me to see a new party rise up.

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                        • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                          Obama now polling better than Romney on "Handling the economy." Romney's sole issue is now deficit control, and Clinton's "arithmetic" speech refutes that.

                          Honest question: what is left for them to run on?
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                          • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            Obama now polling better than Romney on "Handling the economy." Romney's sole issue is now deficit control, and Clinton's "arithmetic" speech refutes that.

                            Honest question: what is left for them to run on?
                            Nothing. Laurel and Hardy have been running his campaign since he won the primary.
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                            • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              Actually, while listening to America's Radio News (morning), they were talking about how Gary Johnson is now also stealing votes away from Obama. Perhaps the Libertarian party truly is looking to take shape, and could make some headwind.
                              I can see this. The Libertarians tend right over left and so overlap more there with Republicans, but they also tend (obviously) small-l libertarian over authoritarian and so overlap more with Democrats there. Comparison here. Relevant charts:

                              Democrats
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                              Republicans
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                              Libertarians
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                              • Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

                                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                I can see this. The Libertarians tend right over left and so overlap more there with Republicans, but they also tend (obviously) small-l libertarian over authoritarian and so overlap more with Democrats there. Comparison here. Relevant charts:

                                Democrats
                                *****http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/img/grid_democrat.png******

                                Republicans
                                *****http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/img/grid_republican.png******

                                Libertarians
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                                Wow, this emphasizes just how much of an outlier Obama is...he is solidly at the upper left quadrant, very authoritarian in his insistence that government be in charge of just about everything. You don't see many other dots there outside of his.
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