2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I can't believe that I'm reading this line. The GOP's entire existence as a major party is almost completely dependent upon the stupidity of their constituents... their inability to think clearly... their dependence upon the teat that is GOP talking points.

Suckle away!

Did you ever think that, maybe, BOTH parties depend upon the ignorance of sheeple? We've gone down to a road of whose slaughterhouse is prettier. Either way, the same result occurs. This is why I look to a third party.

[Greyeagle]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I can't believe that I'm reading this line. The GOP's entire existence as a major party is almost completely dependent upon the stupidity of their constituents... their inability to think clearly... their dependence upon the teat that is GOP talking points.

Suckle away!

The Republican 2008 VP candidate would seem to support this, almost like it was a test; "Lets see if we can win an election with one of the dumbest people on the planet a heartbeat away..." .

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The Republican 2008 VP candidate would seem to support this, almost like it was a test; "Lets see if we can win an election with one of the dumbest people on the planet a heartbeat away..." .

They had already run that test in 1988, unfortunately.

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I can't believe that I'm reading this line. The GOP's entire existence as a major party is almost completely dependent upon the stupidity of their constituents... their inability to think clearly... their dependence upon the teat that is GOP talking points.

Russell Kirk, one of the great intellectual conservatives of the 20th Century, famously said that every philosophy has its drawbacks and the drawback of conservatism is for every tenth person in the movement who actually comprehends it there are nine who are simply there because it feeds an unthinking reactionary stupidity. "Obviously not all conservatives are mindless, but the mindless are all conservatives."

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

What is wrong with the Laffer curve, in terms of actual money raised and people's willingness to pay it? This question is not rhetorical.

You mean the Laffingstock Curve?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

What is wrong with the Laffer curve, in terms of actual money raised and people's willingness to pay it? This question is not rhetorical.

The Laffer Curve along with the entire supply side and trickle down theory is a joke. 30 years of it has netted an unmitigated economic disaster at the Federal Level.

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Maybe I should be watching conventions! Is is true (as noted in a Detroit News headline) that the Democrats actually booed the Lord God Almighty???

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Maybe I should be watching conventions! Is is true (as noted in a Detroit News headline) that the Democrats actually booed the Lord God Almighty???

No, they booed it's inclusion in the party platform. Personally I tend to agree. There's no reason for God to be in the party platform.

[SJHovey]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The long term is adjusting tax rates to the vertex of the Laffer parabola. If you go in the correct direction, you will gain more in aggregate tax money because either more people are willing to get in with a lower rate that they'd have to pay, or you truly are gaining more in revenue by going the other direction. If your present point on the parabola is to the left of the vertex (assuming tax rate increases along the x-axis), then yes, raising taxes would be a smart thing.I don't think we're there, though, which is why you see fiscal conservatives (GOP and Libertarian) calling for decreases in tax rates. If you play around with property tax rates on Sim City, it's the same thing. Sure, it's a video game, but a pretty decent representation of a person's reaction to tax rates.

On what do you base this? Isn't that the crux of the Laffer curve problem -- No one really knows exacly where that optimum point is? I don't know where it's at (or if it even exists), but given the relatively low tax rates (historically), it will take more than supposition to cause me to conclude we're at it, or to the right of it.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The Laffer Curve along with the entire supply side and trickle down theory is a joke. 30 years of it has netted an unmitigated economic disaster at the Federal Level.

You still haven't answered my question. All you have done is present an argument side that is similar to a 6-year-old presented with a plate of broccoli. I'll ask again: What, in your opinion, are the fundamental issues with the Laffer curve, in terms of money raised and people's willingness to pay?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

You still haven't answered my question. All you have done is present an argument side that is similar to a 6-year-old presented with a plate of broccoli. I'll ask again: What, in your opinion, are the fundamental issues with the Laffer curve, in terms of money raised and people's willingness to pay?

The fundamental issue is that there are many nations on this planet that pay much higher taxes than Americans do. "Willingness To Pay" is a meaningless metric. You either pay or you go to jail. Unfortunately here in America we don't do enough on the enforcement side which allows people like Mitt Romney to hide their cash in the Cayman's and in Switzerland.

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Maybe I should be watching conventions! Is is true (as noted in a Detroit News headline) that the Democrats actually booed the Lord God Almighty???

Not quite, but close. Their platform did not contain the word "God" anywhere in it. They wanted to adjust it, which requires a vote of the convention. The chair asked for a vote, and the "nays" outshouted the "ayes", so the chair asked twice more. The third time, he said "the 'ayes' carry" after which the boos started.

The apologists will claim that the boos were about the chair declaring the 'ayes' carry when the 'nays' were louder, that the boos weren't for God herself.

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Not quite, but close. Their platform did not contain the word "God" anywhere in it. They wanted to adjust it, which requires a vote of the convention. The chair asked for a vote, and the "nays" outshouted the "ayes", so the chair asked twice more. The third time, he said "the 'ayes' carry" after which the boos started.

The apologists will claim that the boos were about the chair declaring the 'ayes' carry when the 'nays' were louder, that the boos weren't for God herself.

I probably shouldn't be, but I'm mildly surprised this is such a contentious issue that it would cause a ruckus at the big circle jerk. Is Foxton a delegate?

[ScoobyDoo]

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The apologists will claim that the boos were about the chair declaring the 'ayes' carry when the 'nays' were louder, that the boos weren't for God herself.

Wow.

[jmh]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Really? I'd say if the price gas keeps going up he is toast

If the American public have brains, rising gas prices shouldn't motivate them to vote for the candidate whose party platform is that we should stick with the 1950s transportation policies got us into this oil-addicted mess in the first place.