2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

Not like my vote matters anyway, given where I live.

the more other people think that way, the more value proportionately your vote becomes.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

the more other people think that way, the more value proportionately your vote becomes.

Unless you live in NYS...

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

A little humor.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...012/bro-choice

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And Christie... Am I the only one who has a very hard time looking at that guy? I can't believe he hasn't clotted off already.

[FreshFish]

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Anyone who wants to put real money on the outcome of the election, can legally do so here:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

Anyone who wants to put real money on the outcome of the election, can leaglly do so here:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/

You mean sports bookies in Vegas don't entertain bets?

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

You mean sports bookies in Vegas don't entertain bets?

Is there any place in my original post that says the Iowa Electronic Futures Market is the only place to put real money on the outcome?*

I'm tempted to buy some Romney futures now so that I can sell them again later, before the election takes place. I'm guessing he'll close the gap somewhat between now and then....we'll see.

Vegas is pretty much a buy-and-hold proposition, isn't it? (of course I could always place a 2nd-bet later if the odds shift and lock in an outcome no matter what, but that's tying up extra money).




* I've heard of people who have no filter between their brain and their mouth, you seem to be one of the few people I've "met" who has no filter between his brain and a keyboard!

[joecct]

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Anyone who wants to put real money on the outcome of the election, can legally do so here:

http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/

As I see it, the IEM has it 65-35 Obama. I'd take Romney with those odds.

Does anyone have the Carter - Reagan numbers at this time in 1980?

[Priceless]

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I did support Romney in 2008, though. I'm going to need to think back as to why...

That version of him probably said some things you liked. He has reinvented himself a few times since then, not mention how many times he changed before.

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[joecct]

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Something new:

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This is going to be a large sub plot in the election. Not the major plot - that's going to be the economy. But this one is not going away.

[Rover]

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As I see it, the IEM has it 65-35 Obama. I'd take Romney with those odds.

Does anyone have the Carter - Reagan numbers at this time in 1980?

I'd love to have a dollar every time a righty mentioned either 1980 or Reagan. Hell, I'd be about 10 bucks shy of being a Republican myself.

[Handyman]

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Unless you live in NYS...

Or Minnesota...every election there is some rumor this state could go R but barring Pawlenty being the candidate (and even then it is a stretch) it will not happen for the forseeable future. I could write in my cat it won't change a ****ed thing.

[ScoobyDoo]

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We hated John Kerry so we nominated Mitt Romney his twin.

Vote for Romney, 2012.

[leswp1]

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...In addition, after this conversation took place, an article was published that cited several academic studies during the past year, three by government agencies. All of them demonstrated that, when you look at the total compensation package (salary plus benefits) of public-sector employees compared to private-sector employees doing the same work, the former receive substantially higher total compensation compared to the latter.
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Dam I read this and realized Mr les must have screwed up somewhere. He works for the local University. His last pay raise was about 2 yrs ago with none in the offing, the health insurance has quadrupled in price and now has a massive deductible (none before) with huge copays for any type of imaging, specialist, etc (our costs have gone up more than 500% since last yr and we are only in the 1st quarter). He also now has to pay for parking but is required to use his own car to drive b/w the various venues he has to work at, all the 'fee things' he has have all increased. This adds up to a pretty sig paycut while he is now required to cover more things with less staff and in no way is he compensated for all the hours he works covering things that he used to have staff for...

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

As I see it, the IEM has it 65-35 Obama. I'd take Romney with those odds.

Does anyone have the Carter - Reagan numbers at this time in 1980?

Probably something similar. I'm still looking at the IEM details; if I can put money on Romney now at 35 - 65 and then sell when (okay, sigh, "if") it gets to 45 - 55, it's a no-brainer.

Bam needs Ben and Ben has been playing hard to get lately.

[FreshFish]

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Dam I read this and realized Mr les must have screwed up somewhere. He works for the local University. His last pay raise was about 2 yrs ago with none in the offing, the health insurance has quadrupled in price and now has a massive deductible (none before) with huge copays for any type of imaging, specialist, etc (our costs have gone up more than 500% since last yr and we are only in the 1st quarter). He also now has to pay for parking but is required to use his own car to drive b/w the various venues he has to work at, all the 'fee things' he has have all increased. This adds up to a pretty sig paycut while he is now required to cover more things with less staff and in no way is he compensated for all the hours he works covering things that he used to have staff for...

wow, it sounds like between the madness at the hospital and your husband's pay cut you have really been suffering. My heart goes out to you.

There was a nuance to those studies, in that they compared the pay for public sector employees and private sector employees for comparable work. I'm not sure how many private sector employees there are in education, so that his situation may not be addressed at all in those studies.

I looked at the Dept of Labor database in excrutiating detail once and they actually have three "sectors": government employees at all levels (25% to 30%), "private sector" (50% to 55%), and then a third sector, "non-profits" which include private schools, hospitals, and foundations (there are a surprising number of foundations in this country, I guess every rich guy who didn't want his kids to grow up spoiled must have set one up!) of 15% to 20%. It is pretty scary to me that over one in four people in the workforce is employed by government at one level or another.