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  • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

    Originally posted by MinnFan View Post
    I don't think you need to deny them care in true emergency situtations. You just need to be willing to stick them with the bill. Make it so the hosiptal can garnish their wages or receive a portion of their gov't benefits if they don't pay. Doesn't take care of all senarios, but he does provide a disincentive for many of them.
    Perfect. And if they go bankrupt let them go bankrupt. Then we need to fix bankruptcy law. It's too easy and you get away with too much. What is it? Seven years and you're clear after bankruptcy? Let's make it 14.
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    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
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    • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Perfect. And if they go bankrupt let them go bankrupt. Then we need to fix bankruptcy law. It's too easy and you get away with too much. What is it? Seven years and you're clear after bankruptcy? Let's make it 14.
      How about we make the clearance death? Oh wait, it already is.

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      • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

        Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
        How about we make the clearance death? Oh wait, it already is.
        Now we're cooking. We now have our replacement for CHIP, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now all we have to do is jettison Social Security and we'll have a balanced budget.
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        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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        • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

          Originally posted by Rover View Post
          Ummm..no they weren't, but nice try. I'll start with how there's no state sponsored religion in the Constitution, something many a conservative would like to see provided that religion was their own.

          On the other hand, they did have slavery as being legal for a time, so perhaps you're right about their conservative leanings...
          I thought we were talking about "conservative" as a political point of view; I did not realize you had your own private definition. No wonder we can't have a direct conversation.

          To me a political "conservative" means something like:
          > "trust the wisdom of your elders"
          > each person is responsible for the consequences of his/her actions
          > all people are fallible and are prone to making mistakes; therefore government should be limited in scope and comprised of checks and balances so that no one group ever can have exclusive control of all avenues of government

          Now, this derives from centuries of tradition (e.g., Burke and Franklin come immediately to mind) and since you seem preoccupied with transient phenomena (the past few years) I'm not surprised we rarely find ourselves talking about the same thing, especially as your first recourse seems to be ridicule while I find genuine value in all four of the primary political quadrants.

          I'm fed up with today's politicians across the spectrum (with a few notable exceptions) since almost all of them only seem to care about the next election and short-term partisan advantage at the expense of long-term common good.
          "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

          "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

          "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

          "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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          • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
            Perfect. And if they go bankrupt let them go bankrupt. Then we need to fix bankruptcy law. It's too easy and you get away with too much. What is it? Seven years and you're clear after bankruptcy? Let's make it 14.
            Actually, one of the leading causes of bankrupty already is unexpected medical bills. Haven't you been reading any of leswp1 posts??
            "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

            "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

            "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

            "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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            • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
              Actually, one of the leading causes of bankrupty already is unexpected medical bills. Haven't you been reading any of leswp1 posts??
              Sure have. Just backing them up. We need to make sure that good medical care only goes to those of us who can afford it. Law of the jungle should be the law of the land.
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              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                Sure have. Just backing them up. We need to make sure that good medical care only goes to those of us who can afford it. Law of the jungle should be the law of the land.
                "Before the tribunal of nature a man has no more right to life than a rattlesnake; he has no more right to liberty than any wild beast; his right to pursuit of happiness is nothing but a license to maintain the struggle for existence." —William Graham Sumner

                Jon Stewart actually had a great line about this righty fad. It's ironic that a party of Creationists is so Darwinian.
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                • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                  Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                  Now we're cooking. We now have our replacement for CHIP, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now all we have to do is jettison Social Security and we'll have a balanced budget.
                  The concepts are one thing. The way they decided to execute it is absolutely terrible, and is why we are in the mess we are today.

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                  • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                    Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                    The concepts are one thing. The way they decided to execute it is absolutely terrible, and is why we are in the mess we are today.
                    We're in the mess we are today because of 30 years of whacked out prioritization by baby boomers who only care about one word. MINE!
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                    Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                    Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                    • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      We're in the mess we are today because
                      it's always someone else's fault.
                      "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

                      "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

                      "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

                      "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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                      • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                        Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                        it's always someone else's fault.
                        That, and we're overly concerned about who to blame rather than coming up with a viable and workable solution.

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                        • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                          I thought we were talking about "conservative" as a political point of view; I did not realize you had your own private definition. No wonder we can't have a direct conversation.

                          To me a political "conservative" means something like:
                          > "trust the wisdom of your elders"
                          > each person is responsible for the consequences of his/her actions
                          > all people are fallible and are prone to making mistakes; therefore government should be limited in scope and comprised of checks and balances so that no one group ever can have exclusive control of all avenues of government

                          Now, this derives from centuries of tradition (e.g., Burke and Franklin come immediately to mind) and since you seem preoccupied with transient phenomena (the past few years) I'm not surprised we rarely find ourselves talking about the same thing, especially as your first recourse seems to be ridicule while I find genuine value in all four of the primary political quadrants.

                          I'm fed up with today's politicians across the spectrum (with a few notable exceptions) since almost all of them only seem to care about the next election and short-term partisan advantage at the expense of long-term common good.
                          The founders fail to live up to this definition of "conservative," too. In 1776, the "trusting wisdom of elders" position would have been Tory/Loyalist. Thank goodness our founding fathers had their own novel, liberal ideas.
                          If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                          • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                            That, and we're overly concerned about who to blame rather than coming up with a viable and workable solution.
                            Too late. The Boomers sucked the coffers dry and now they're retiring and there's no money left to pay their medical and social security bills.

                            But, hey, you wanna blame my generation go right ahead.
                            Last edited by ScoobyDoo; 04-05-2012, 12:49 PM.
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                            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                            • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                              Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                              The founders fail to live up to this definition of "conservative," too. In 1776, the "trusting wisdom of elders" position would have been Tory/Loyalist. Thank goodness our founding fathers had their own novel, liberal ideas.
                              How could they have liberal ideas? The term "liberal" didn't come aboot until the mid 19th century in British Parliament.

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                              • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                                Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                                How could they have liberal ideas? The term "liberal" didn't come aboot until the mid 19th century in British Parliament.
                                True. It was the Socialist FDR who ruined this nation. Until he came into office everything was just fine.
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                                Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                                Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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