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  • #736
    Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

    Originally posted by sagard View Post
    Why should they be exempt from paying for things they hate? I hate us spending money on wars and ridiculous "homeland security." I pay plenty of taxes.
    This. Conscientious objectors are released from serving in the military - they are not exempt from paying taxes that fund the military.
    If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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    • #737
      Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

      Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
      This. Conscientious objectors are released from serving in the military - they are not exempt from paying taxes that fund the military.
      One of the (very) few tenets of libertarianism I still agree with holds that the state's first priority is to protect its monopoly of force, and it does this by using all its other forces -- social, economic, technological, religious, and political -- to ruthlessly maintain it.

      (Where libertarians are wrong is that they think this is specific to the state, whereas in reality it is simply a property of power.)
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      • #738
        Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

        Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
        Nope. Pro Life groups are anti-sex.
        No. We like sex. We just think that abortion should not be used as a method of birth control. There is a sub-set that thinks birth control is misguided, too. But that's a small circle inside of a big circle.

        However, I think we could reach agreement that sex without love is pleasure, not joy.
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        • #739
          Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          If a few groups wish to be philanthropists and provide that at their cost, that's their prerogative. To force unwilling groups to do that is just plain wrong, and is the entire crux of the argument.
          Let me know when I can stop paying for things like farm and oil subsidies, the TSA, and the department of homeland security, and then we'll talk.
          Last edited by unofan; 10-06-2012, 06:07 AM.

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          • #740
            Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

            Is there a problem with this graph??

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            • #741
              Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

              Just got our information for our 2013 health insurance plans.

              Premiums: Up 8%
              Deductibles: Up 14%
              Annual OOP Max: Up 5%

              Coverage Changes:
              The following women's heath services are covered at 100% due to HCRA: Annual well-woman visit, FDA-approved prescription contraceptives, breastfeeding supplies and sounseling, etc.
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              • #742
                Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                Is there a problem with this graph??
                I'll bet there are similar graphs for, say, the number of scientists at science companies, or engineers at engineering firms, or programmers at software companies.

                Which is not to say there isn't a problem, but I think it's a reflection of a larger economic phenomenon than health care.

                (And speaking as a non-engineer at an engineering company... what problem?! )
                Last edited by Kepler; 10-09-2012, 02:21 PM.
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                • #743
                  Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                  Originally posted by joecct View Post
                  Is there a problem with this graph??
                  The graph is US Economy under trickle down 101.


                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  Just got our information for our 2013 health insurance plans.

                  Premiums: Up 8%
                  Deductibles: Up 14%
                  Annual OOP Max: Up 5%

                  Coverage Changes:
                  The following women's heath services are covered at 100% due to HCRA: Annual well-woman visit, FDA-approved prescription contraceptives, breastfeeding supplies and sounseling, etc.

                  The increase in medical costs is low considering the add-ons. Many years we saw 20% increases with decreases in benefits.
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                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #744
                    Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    I'll bet there are similar graphs for, say, the number of scientists at science companies, or engineers at engineering firms, or programmers at software companies.

                    Which is not to say there isn't a problem, but I think it's a reflection of a larger economic phenomenon than health care.

                    (And speaking as a non-engineer at an engineering company... what problem?! )
                    As an engineer for a medical device company, I see the exact opposite. We are having to do our own admin work which leaves less time for actual engineering that costs both us and our customers and the consumers money. So this is a big problem.

                    *yes I'm typing this while at work putting off doing some of my admin stuff. No engineering for me today.

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                    • #745
                      Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                      On a good week, I get to spend about 4 hours (10%) on engineering.

                      "We'll give all the engineers MS Office," they said. "They'll be able to keep their own schedules, draft their own memos, create their own presentations, and author their own documents," they said. "We'll save so much money by eliminating secretaries," they said. Well, now they have a a workforce of overpaid secretaries with 4-year engineering degrees shuffling @$%@ paper around all day. Good thinking.
                      If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                      • #746
                        Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Is there a problem with this graph??

                        *****https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/399400_10150961640840954_1510463149_n.jpg******
                        Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                        On a good week, I get to spend about 4 hours (10%) on engineering.

                        "We'll give all the engineers MS Office," they said. "They'll be able to keep their own schedules, draft their own memos, create their own presentations, and author their own documents," they said. "We'll save so much money by eliminating secretaries," they said. Well, now they have a a workforce of overpaid secretaries with 4-year engineering degrees shuffling @$%@ paper around all day. Good thinking.
                        Trickle Down Economic Theory 101
                        **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                        • #747
                          Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          Trickle Down Economic Theory 101
                          Couldn't have anything to do with all the regulations and admin work required by the gov't

                          You could probably put a nearly identical graph over education
                          "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

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                          • #748
                            Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                            [QUOTE=joecct;5513439]
                            Originally posted by MinnFan View Post
                            Couldn't have anything to do with all the regulations and admin work required by the gov't
                            That we have engineers doing things other than just engineering?

                            No, I don't think it has anything to do with regulations. It has to do with the way we run our companies nowadays.
                            **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                            Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                            Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                            • #749
                              Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              Trickle Down Economic Theory 101
                              I genuinely don't understand how you link this to Trickle Down. To me, it's just short-sighted managers being penny-wise and pound-foolish, straight up - nothing more complicated than that.
                              If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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                              • #750
                                Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                                [QUOTE=ScoobyDoo;5516184]
                                Originally posted by joecct View Post


                                That we have engineers doing things other than just engineering?

                                No, I don't think it has anything to do with regulations. It has to do with the way we run our companies nowadays.
                                No, the fact that there has been an explosion in admin positions in industries that gov't has a major influence in. Still trying to figure out how you manage to put the talking point of Trickle Down Economics on that one. Not to mention how you contradict yourself by saying that both additional admin and lack of admin are trickle down.
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