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  • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

    The path to theocracy is paved with good intentions. We are seeing right now in the Middle East what happens when the public space is conditional on private religious beliefs.
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    • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      The path to theocracy is paved with good intentions. We are seeing right now in the Middle East what happens when the public space is conditional on private religious beliefs.
      Don't tell that to anyone in Alabama, Mississippi, or Kansas.
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      • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
        The path to theocracy is paved with good intentions. We are seeing right now in the Middle East what happens when the public space is conditional on private religious beliefs.
        Hey I keep waiting for this New-Conservative Kingdom On Earth to come but the voters always seem to get in the way. Given that the largest generation in the country today is Millenials, I'm not sure an anti-birth control platform is the way to go but far be it from me to start advising neo-cons on how to run their campaigns. Keep the Todd Akin's coming!
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        • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

          Originally posted by Rover View Post
          The people decide Flag. If like minded people such as yourself would like to either 1) restrict/ban birth control access, or 2) pass laws denying coverage, be my guest. I don't like your electoral prospects with a stance like this, but go for it. The American public have it in their power to toss Obama out of his job in a few months if they'd like. That's the beauty of living in a democracy.

          For kicks though, tell me why having your insurer cover birth control harms *anybody*. Nobody's forcing people to use it, anymore than coverage for a heart transplant doesn't make you get one if you don't need it.
          As an American that believes in free enterprise, I will support and defend the ability of any American to offer the services that they so desire, regardless of whether or not I personally agree with someone offering or not offering the service. Why someone believes that a service should not be offered I cannot answer, seeing as how I am not that specific someone. You would need to ask that person.

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          • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

            Originally posted by Rover View Post
            Hey I keep waiting for this New-Conservative Kingdom On Earth to come but the voters always seem to get in the way. Given that the largest generation in the country today is Millenials, I'm not sure an anti-birth control platform is the way to go but far be it from me to start advising neo-cons on how to run their campaigns. Keep the Todd Akin's coming!
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            • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

              Originally posted by Rover View Post
              Birth control is legal and millions of women use it.
              and that makes it mandatory how, exactly?



              ("mandatory" in the sense that all health plans now must offer it..sounds like someone imposing their values on everyone else to me, and to every reasonable person I know as well. Of course, all you anointed ones on the left know better than everyone else, so why even bother responding to us in the first place? just impose your will by force of law and ignore the centuries of First Amendment rights)
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              • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                The path to theocracy is paved with good intentions.
                so progressivism is now a secular theocracy, eh?
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                • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  The path to theocracy is paved with good intentions. We are seeing right now in the Middle East what happens when the public space is conditional on private religious beliefs.
                  So's the path to secularism --> http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...b91_story.html
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                  • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    There are a-holes on all sides. These a-holes are not in charge of the House of Representatives.
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                    • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      There are a-holes on all sides. These a-holes are not in charge of the House of Representatives.
                      They were when the act in question was passed.

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                      • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        Secularism is, in fact, an establishment of religion.

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                        • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                          Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                          and that makes it mandatory how, exactly?



                          ("mandatory" in the sense that all health plans now must offer it..sounds like someone imposing their values on everyone else to me, and to every reasonable person I know as well. Of course, all you anointed ones on the left know better than everyone else, so why even bother responding to us in the first place? just impose your will by force of law and ignore the centuries of First Amendment rights)
                          Umm.....doesn't the SCOTUS, not internet knuckledraggers, decide what does and doesn't violate the First Amendment? And, wasn't the law upheld or something recently....

                          See Fishy, I'll put it to you again. The American people have the opportunity to render judgement on Obama for this come November. The majority rules (most of the time). How again is mandatory covering of birth control infringing on your rights? What right specifically?
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                          • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                            Secularism is, in fact, an establishment of religion.
                            Only if you force other people to practice it - and don't insult your own intelligence by saying that removing the 10 Commandments from a courthouse forces people to practice secularism.
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                            • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              Secularism is, in fact, an establishment of religion.
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                              • Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

                                Originally posted by LynahFan View Post
                                Only if you force other people to practice it - and don't insult your own intelligence by saying that removing the 10 Commandments from a courthouse forces people to practice secularism.
                                By constantly forcing groups to remove icons for reasons surrounding religion, you are certainly prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This is a form of establishing religion, as it is a government saying you may not practice this particular religion. If you were to provide me with The Book of Mormon, certainly it's literature, and you would find it in the non-fiction section of the library (200's according to Dewey), but that wouldn't force me to accept it as dogma.

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