The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

[FreshFish]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

So you'd ... let [your teenager] die in the streets for [running up their credit card]. Got it.

Again, that's a rational, intellectually consistent position straight from Ayn Rand herself. Don't hide from it just because it makes you admit you're a cold-hearted bastard.

Um....I think you missed something along the way somewhere. I asked you for your solution and you consistently refuse to give one. I say I would use techniques that parents use on wayward children and you turn it into something grotesque.

You still have not said how you would address this problem.


My guess is that you have no answer at all, and that enrages you, and so you throw a tantrum by demonizing something reasonable by exaggerating it beyond all recognition, all to hide your [gratuitious insult, subsequently redacted].

[Armadillo]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Yeah, because every other industrialized nation which has had universal healthcare for decades went bankrupt a long time ago and collapsed into anarchy. Oh wait...

That Eurozone is humming right along like a well-tuned Lambo, isn't it? Nope, no problems at all. NONE.

[unofan]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

No, anything you paid in you'll get, but no more.

Great, so I get to lose out on about 15 years of interest? What a wonderful plan...

[unofan]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

So, you'd just hand out unlimited health care for free to everyone. Which makes you unrealistic and thieving from future generations.

Yeah, because every other industrialized nation which has had universal healthcare for decades went bankrupt a long time ago and collapsed into anarchy. Oh wait...

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Sounds good to me. What happens to all the money I've paid in already? Do I lose it all? I guess I would have to assume so since GW spent it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

No, anything you paid in you'll get, but no more.

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Also, since the other thread filled up while I was at work...

So you'd cut people off from the safety net and let people die in the streets for squandering their health care. Got it.

Again, that's a rational, intellectually consistent position straight from Ayn Rand herself. Don't hide from it just because it makes you admit you're a cold-hearted bastard.

So, you'd just hand out unlimited health care for free to everyone. Which makes you unrealistic and thieving from future generations.

[unofan]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Also, since the other thread filled up while I was at work...

So, despite my reluctance, I'll give a partial answer.

Suppose you have a teen-ager, son or daughter, and you give them a credit card to use in emergencies, but only for emergencies. then they run the card up to the limit. what do you do with them?

What I would do with my teens in that situation is how I'd handle the problem you present.

So you'd cut people off from the safety net and let people die in the streets for squandering their health care. Got it.

Again, that's a rational, intellectually consistent position straight from Ayn Rand herself. Don't hide from it just because it makes you admit you're a cold-hearted bastard.

[unofan]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

You do realize that Ryan's premium support model for Medicare is single-payer, right?

It works exactly the same way as the Federal government employees' health plan: the goverment gives everyone $xx,xxx and then they choose the plan they like.

If you are so much in favor of single payer, why do you oppose the only serious single payer plan out there?

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[Bob Gray]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

My favorite part of the prescription drug benefit was that we had so much money in Washington we didn't need to raise any revenue to pay for it. That was awesome.

That philosophy has mostly reigned for some time now in Washington. The prescription drug benefit is just one of the most obvious examples. When I think about planning for my latter years, I just assume anything I get from Social Security will be an unexpected surprise, and that Medicare will be a shell of its current self, if it exists at all. I don't know. Maybe buying some gold would be as good as anything.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

You're too optimistic. It was spent even before the wars. They were paid for with straight borrowing, like the prescription drug benefit.

My favorite part of the prescription drug benefit was that we had so much money in Washington we didn't need to raise any revenue to pay for it. That was awesome.

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Sounds good to me. What happens to all the money I've paid in already? Do I lose it all? I guess I would have to assume so since GW spent it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You're too optimistic. It was spent even before the wars. They were paid for with straight borrowing, like the prescription drug benefit.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

If anything, it shows the true flaws of the current pay-for-your-parents social security system. This is why it needs to be an individual account, that's your money and only your money, and nominate a beneficiary in case you die. If you can't trust yourself to hold your money, that's fine.

Sounds good to me. What happens to all the money I've paid in already? Do I lose it all? I guess I would have to assume so since GW spent it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

If anything, it shows the true flaws of the current pay-for-your-parents social security system. This is why it needs to be an individual account, that's your money and only your money, and nominate a beneficiary in case you die. If you can't trust yourself to hold your money, that's fine.

That makes it too hard to take from future generations. It'll never fly. Not that I don't like the concept.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Hey, it's hard for people to keep track of all the entitlements that have been created over time.

If anything, it shows the true flaws of the current pay-for-your-parents social security system. This is why it needs to be an individual account, that's your money and only your money, and nominate a beneficiary in case you die. If you can't trust yourself to hold your money, that's fine.

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

I love how with Social Security arguments, no one ever mentions the death benefit. If you are a child and one of your parents dies, you could be entitled to $1000 per month until you become 18 years of age.

Hey, it's hard for people to keep track of all the entitlements that have been created over time.