The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

[ScoobyDoo]

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Is there a problem with this graph??

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On a good week, I get to spend about 4 hours (10%) on engineering.

"We'll give all the engineers MS Office," they said. "They'll be able to keep their own schedules, draft their own memos, create their own presentations, and author their own documents," they said. "We'll save so much money by eliminating secretaries," they said. Well, now they have a a workforce of overpaid secretaries with 4-year engineering degrees shuffling @$%@ paper around all day. Good thinking.

Trickle Down Economic Theory 101

[LynahFan]

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On a good week, I get to spend about 4 hours (10%) on engineering.

"We'll give all the engineers MS Office," they said. "They'll be able to keep their own schedules, draft their own memos, create their own presentations, and author their own documents," they said. "We'll save so much money by eliminating secretaries," they said. Well, now they have a a workforce of overpaid secretaries with 4-year engineering degrees shuffling @$%@ paper around all day. Good thinking.

[Tiggsy]

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I'll bet there are similar graphs for, say, the number of scientists at science companies, or engineers at engineering firms, or programmers at software companies.

Which is not to say there isn't a problem, but I think it's a reflection of a larger economic phenomenon than health care.

(And speaking as a non-engineer at an engineering company... what problem?! )

As an engineer for a medical device company, I see the exact opposite. We are having to do our own admin work which leaves less time for actual engineering that costs both us and our customers and the consumers money. So this is a big problem.

*yes I'm typing this while at work putting off doing some of my admin stuff. No engineering for me today.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Is there a problem with this graph??

The graph is US Economy under trickle down 101.

Just got our information for our 2013 health insurance plans.

Premiums: Up 8%
Deductibles: Up 14%
Annual OOP Max: Up 5%

Coverage Changes:
The following women's heath services are covered at 100% due to HCRA: Annual well-woman visit, FDA-approved prescription contraceptives, breastfeeding supplies and sounseling, etc.

The increase in medical costs is low considering the add-ons. Many years we saw 20% increases with decreases in benefits.

[Kepler]

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Is there a problem with this graph??

I'll bet there are similar graphs for, say, the number of scientists at science companies, or engineers at engineering firms, or programmers at software companies.

Which is not to say there isn't a problem, but I think it's a reflection of a larger economic phenomenon than health care.

(And speaking as a non-engineer at an engineering company... what problem?! )

[dxmnkd316]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

Just got our information for our 2013 health insurance plans.

Premiums: Up 8%
Deductibles: Up 14%
Annual OOP Max: Up 5%

Coverage Changes:
The following women's heath services are covered at 100% due to HCRA: Annual well-woman visit, FDA-approved prescription contraceptives, breastfeeding supplies and sounseling, etc.

[joecct]

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Is there a problem with this graph??

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[unofan]

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If a few groups wish to be philanthropists and provide that at their cost, that's their prerogative. To force unwilling groups to do that is just plain wrong, and is the entire crux of the argument.

Let me know when I can stop paying for things like farm and oil subsidies, the TSA, and the department of homeland security, and then we'll talk.

[joecct]

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Nope. Pro Life groups are anti-sex.

No. We like sex. We just think that abortion should not be used as a method of birth control. There is a sub-set that thinks birth control is misguided, too. But that's a small circle inside of a big circle.

However, I think we could reach agreement that sex without love is pleasure, not joy.

[Kepler]

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This. Conscientious objectors are released from serving in the military - they are not exempt from paying taxes that fund the military.

One of the (very) few tenets of libertarianism I still agree with holds that the state's first priority is to protect its monopoly of force, and it does this by using all its other forces -- social, economic, technological, religious, and political -- to ruthlessly maintain it.

(Where libertarians are wrong is that they think this is specific to the state, whereas in reality it is simply a property of power.)

[LynahFan]

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Why should they be exempt from paying for things they hate? I hate us spending money on wars and ridiculous "homeland security." I pay plenty of taxes.

This. Conscientious objectors are released from serving in the military - they are not exempt from paying taxes that fund the military.

[sagard]

Re: The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

If a few groups wish to be philanthropists and provide that at their cost, that's their prerogative. To force unwilling groups to do that is just plain wrong, and is the entire crux of the argument.

Why should they be exempt from paying for things they hate? I hate us spending money on wars and ridiculous "homeland security." I pay plenty of taxes.

[Kepler]

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Nope. Pro Life groups are anti-sex.

Not all sex.

[ScoobyDoo]

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If a few groups wish to be philanthropists and provide that at their cost, that's their prerogative. To force unwilling groups to do that is just plain wrong, and is the entire crux of the argument.

No question about it. People are being forced to use birth control.

[FlagDUDE08]

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http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ly-study-finds

Look at that, subsidized birth control cuts down on abortions. That should be a win-win for everyone, right? Right?
...(crickets chirping)...

If a few groups wish to be philanthropists and provide that at their cost, that's their prerogative. To force unwilling groups to do that is just plain wrong, and is the entire crux of the argument.