Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
I think the only reason I'd recommend paying down extra principal on a mortgage is if you're doing it to increase your equity and qualify for a refinance. If you're sitting on a 30 year loan right now and happened to buy when interest rates were substantially higher (they were 6-7% not *THAT* long ago - in the early to mid 2000s), the trade-off is considerably more favorable than simply dumping money into a 4-5% loan just for the sake of knocking down principal owed.
Saving money in a 401k or a Roth IRA isn't *that* limiting. Plus there's the whole issue of capturing employer matches which amount to free money (also, contributions to a Roth IRA can be withdrawn at any time without penalty - it's the earnings on the contributions that are limited in their use).
The bottom line is you don't want to overextend yourself in any one investment.
Establishing an emergency reserve account is a must for everyone as well. It's basically a form of "**** happens" insurance. Unfortunately, such things will earn next to nothing if you want to maintain any liquidity (via money market, savings accounts, or CD's).
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostSaving for retirement is a long-term activity (especially at my age).
We save money to have cash available for opportunities and emergencies. If you develop good savings habits at a young age, you don't need to save "for retirement" ... you'll have savings throughout your entire life, which will include retirement when you get there. In the meantime you'll also have had use of your money along the way as well.
In fact, because of the 10% penalty tax, and limitations on the kinds of assets one typically can own inside a retirement plan, saving "for retirement" restricts your options: while you save for opportunites (they are limited) or emergencies (which requires either a penalty tax or a loan against the plan).
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
I will concede that with the relative ease there is to getting out from under an upside down house with a short sale or such, the risk of gambling by overextending your finances, rather than being conservative financially, living within your means, and paying down your debts, is significantly reduced.
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostUsually income tax law is driven by expediency and political posturing, occasionally it is affected by atypical bouts of principle. Most of the time we come to expect a tussle between the President and Congress. Every now and then the judicial system has something incredibly salient to contribute as well.
The most famous non-Supreme Court jurist, Judge Learned Hand: "Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. " -- Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810-11 (2d Cir. 1934).
Ironic to me that BHO claims to be a constitutional scholar yet behaves as if he is unfamiliar with the law
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Originally posted by Bakunin View PostI suspect the urge to pay down mortgage principal is driven at least in part by the individual not wanting to be in debt. Another consideration is people paying it down aggressively who didn't put 20% down on the original note and are trying to eliminate PMI.
Saving for retirement is a long-term activity (especially at my age). Paying off loans is relatively short term. Probably the best way to look at it is to budget a certain comfortable amount for retirement savings, budget to pay the loan at the on-time level, and then use your surplus (after bills, food, etc.) to decide whether to get extra into the market or to put the extra towards the loan.
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Usually income tax law is driven by expediency and political posturing, occasionally it is affected by atypical bouts of principle. Most of the time we come to expect a tussle between the President and Congress. Every now and then the judicial system has something incredibly salient to contribute as well.
The most famous non-Supreme Court jurist, Judge Learned Hand: "Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. " -- Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810-11 (2d Cir. 1934).
Ironic to me that BHO claims to be a constitutional scholar yet behaves as if he is unfamiliar with the law
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Originally posted by FreshFish View PostWhile many Americans don't understand accounting, it seems like far fewer understand economics and the role of opportunity cost.
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Originally posted by FreshFish View PostYou need the total amount of loan interest you paid in 2011. You might get a 1099 from each.
Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostFYP. I'm not sure how the government refinancers work, as I've never had to use them, so I'm not sure if Sallie sends one. Bigmrg, you'll definitely need one from Citi. If you've been paying them online (checking, OK the name isn't Brent ), you should be able to download the 1098 information from your account. However, if your adjusted gross income before this deduction is more than $75,000, don't bother, because you won't be eligible to claim the deduction.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostThe thread title is actually a play on one of the credits on the 1040 form from the past couple of years that is no longer available. It was called the "Making Work Pay Credit".
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Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View PostI get that taxation is much more inefficient and much more cumbersome than it has to be.
All the same, I don't think Ayn Rand herself could have written a less whiny title for this thread.
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
I get that taxation is much more inefficient and much more cumbersome than it has to be.
All the same, I don't think Ayn Rand herself could have written a less whiny title for this thread.
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Originally posted by LynahFan View PostDepends. If you have a few extra bucks, you should always put them where you think you will get the best ROI. Reducing total interest paid on a mortgage is a nice "investment" because it is a guaranteed return, but on the other hand, you then have that capital locked up in your house so you may have opportunity costs of not being able to invest in other, even better options. If you're paying 5% tax-deductible interest, it only takes a 3.5-4% return elsewhere to beat paying down the mortgage faster.
Edit: and what FreshFish said.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostBut why pay more in total than you have to? Throw a few extra bucks at the principal, and the total amount of interest you'll have to pay goes down!
Edit: and what FreshFish said.Last edited by LynahFan; 01-26-2012, 01:24 PM.
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostBut why pay more in total than you have to? Throw a few extra bucks at the principal, and the total amount of interest you'll have to pay goes down!
Financial institutions promote losing money management strategies by getting us to look at our lives as a series of separate compartments while financially successful individuals generally have a good holistic view of the entire terrain.
Economics is the intersection between unlimited wants and limited resources.
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Re: Tax Season 2012: Work No Longer Pays
Originally posted by FreshFish View PostI don't mind paying interest on my mortgage because I really like the house we live in. The enjoyment is worth it.
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