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  • Re: What is your political stance?

    You're never going to argue somebody into or out of a strongly-held belief. Polemics serve to influence people on the fence, and very few people are on the fence about abortion.

    There are a few misunderstandings of history involved in the debate, though. Socially (and legally) acceptable abortion did not begin with Roe v Wade, it's as old as human ethical codes. Life was held to begin at the quickening (not the one from Highlander -- roughly the end of the first trimester) and self-aborting by means of various homespun remedies was simply regarded as restarting a woman's period. It isn't until the rise of the state bureaucracies and their monopolization of medical licensing that this issue even became an issue about life at all. The "abortion" debate is an artificial creation of the state and the medical establishment. It has nothing to do with religion or ethics.

    Secondly, sexual activity by unmarried couples has never noticeably spiked or declined in the West. There was no "sexual revolution" -- it was another one of the self-absorbed declarations of the Boomers thinking they invented sex. There has always, through all history, been the idea that our morals are in decline and that we have fallen from an age of chastity and self-discipline to one of decadence and laxity. That's simply selective perception -- we know most of us are sluts, but we don't know that our parents and grandparents were sluts, too. They seem above that, and they talk endlessly about responsibility (just as we do once we have kids, who will then worry they have fallen from our high moral standards). The majority of babies born in the Plymouth Colony, that great bastion of Puritanical purity, were out of wedlock. 'Twas ever thus.

    Facts won't change anybody's mind, but they might raise the debate above the old false narrative of "the decline of our morals." There has been no such decline. In human psychology, nothing ever changes. Living generations always think they are "different," either better or worse, but they aren't.
    Last edited by Kepler; 01-20-2012, 08:24 AM.
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    • Originally posted by Red Cloud View Post
      Which is great news, because God frequently supports murder.
      Crusades!!!!!!!
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      • Re: What is your political stance?

        Originally posted by leswp1 View Post
        No one ever has providing comprehensive education on their platform as an antidote for abortion. I find that exceedingly frustrating!
        Remember. Planned Parenthood is 90% abortions (John Kyl).

        Good article for anyone to read. Seems education and birth control drastically reduce the number of abortions. Things that Planned Parenthood does. Funny we want to stop funding them.

        http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240535.php
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        • Re: What is your political stance?

          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
          Crusades!!!!!!!
          Ah, the glory days. When we could kill Muslims and nobody cared.
          Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

          RIP - Kirby

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          • Re: What is your political stance?

            Originally posted by Red Cloud View Post
            Which is great news, because God frequently supports murder.
            No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
            "This world is your world. Take it easy, but take it." - Woody Guthrie

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            • Re: What is your political stance?

              Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
              Ah, the glory days. When we could kill Muslims and nobody cared.
              Well, except the Muslims.
              "This world is your world. Take it easy, but take it." - Woody Guthrie

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              • Re: What is your political stance?

                Originally posted by Carter View Post
                Well, except the Muslims.
                Its not worth my time to care what the towelheads think.
                Having a clear conscience just means you have a bad memory or you had a boring weekend.

                RIP - Kirby

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                • Re: What is your political stance?

                  Originally posted by bigblue_dl View Post
                  Its not worth my time to care what the towelheads think.
                  They think?
                  Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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                  • Re: What is your political stance?

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    There are a few misunderstandings of history involved in the debate, though. Socially (and legally) acceptable abortion did not begin with Roe v Wade, it's as old as human ethical codes. Life was held to begin at the quickening (not the one from Highlander -- roughly the end of the first trimester) and self-aborting by means of various homespun remedies was simply regarded as restarting a woman's period.
                    I'm curious if you're talking about a specific society or time period or what? Greeks? Ming Dynasty? Vikings? all the above?

                    edit: nevermind. Wikipedia's back up.
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                    • Re: What is your political stance?

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      Socially (and legally) acceptable abortion did not begin with Roe v Wade, it's as old as human ethical codes. Life was held to begin at the quickening (not the one from Highlander -- roughly the end of the first trimester) and self-aborting by means of various homespun remedies was simply regarded as restarting a woman's period.
                      At one time the earth was flat and the center of the universe too. So what?
                      Keep an open mind. Just don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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                      • Re: What is your political stance?

                        At one time there was evolution, now there's intelligent design.
                        **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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